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  • The Taliban Destroy Another Statue!

    Sorry, it was actually radical leftists, it's hard to tell them apart nowadays. And since this was an illegal act I expect a number of arrests soon!

    Protesters topple Silent Sam Confederate statue at UNC

    CHAPEL HILL
    Protesters toppled the Silent Sam Confederate statue on the campus of UNC-Chapel Hill on Monday night.

    The monument was ripped down after 9:15 p.m. Earlier in the evening, protesters covered the statue with tall, gray banners, erecting “an alternative monument” that said, in part, “For a world without white supremacy.”

    Protesters were apparently working behind the covering with ropes to bring the statue down, which happened more than two hours into a rally. It fell with a loud clanging sound, and the crowd erupted in cheers.

    After Silent Sam tumbled to the ground, people darted in and out of the crowd through a haze from smoke bombs. Atop the statue someone placed a black cap that said, “Do It Like Durham,” an apparent reference to the toppling of a Confederate statue there a year ago.

    https://www.newsobserver.com/news/lo...217035815.html
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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    Sorry, it was actually radical leftists, it's hard to tell them apart nowadays. And since this was an illegal act I expect a number of arrests soon!
    Trump’s America? He has brought things to a boil, don’t you think? Maybe they'll arrest the POTUS.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
      Trump’s America? He has brought things to a boil, don’t you think? Maybe they'll arrest the POTUS.
      No he didn't - this statue thing started before Trump...
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      • #4
        That statue belonged in a museum where it could be put in context. I'm sorry to see it destroyed.

        Even if it was a statue built by racists, for racists and celebrated by racists, with an opening speech for its dedication is gritting to read now a days. Still even if it was built with bad intent, I don't like seeing something like it destroyed. I don't think it should have enjoyed pride of place, but at least take it down and put in a museum.

        And whether something like that should be done shouldn't be decided by mobs.
        Last edited by Leonhard; 08-21-2018, 04:43 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
          That statue belonged in a museum where it could be put in context. I'm sorry to see it destroyed. Still, it was a statue built by racists, for racists and celebrated by racists. The opening speech for its dedication is horrible to read now a days.

          Still even if it was built with bad intent, I don't like seeing something like it destroyed. I don't think it should have enjoyed pride of place, but at least take it down and put in a museum.

          And whether something like that should be done shouldn't be decided by mobs. That's uncivilised.
          I completely disagree, this was, at bottom, a war memorial for fallen soldiers. And if we started taking down statues with any link to racism, most statues of our founders and many presidents would have to go - that was the nature of things back then. A thousand members of this university fought in the American Civil War, this monument is exactly where it should be, never mind the fact that these leftists had no legal right to do what they did - they should be prosecuted.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by seer View Post
            I completely disagree, this was, at bottom, a war memorial for fallen soldiers. And if we started taking down statues with any link to racism, most statues of our founders and many presidents would have to go - that was the nature of things back then. A thousand members of this university fought in the American Civil War, this monument is exactly where it should be, never mind the fact that these leftists had no legal right to do what they did - they should be prosecuted.
            But the statue memorializes soldiers for their fighting in a war specifically for the preservation of slavery. I agree with Leonhard on this, keep the Confederate statues in history museums, where they can be reminders of the worst four years in the history of the Southern USA. Also fun fact: I lived in Chapel Hill until 2016. The last time we made national news was when a crazed atheist shot a few Muslims over either a parking space or religion.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by stfoskey15 View Post
              But the statue memorializes soldiers for their fighting in a war specifically for the preservation of slavery. I agree with Leonhard on this, keep the Confederate statues in history museums, where they can be reminders of the worst four years in the history of the Southern USA. Also fun fact: I lived in Chapel Hill until 2016. The last time we made national news was when a crazed atheist shot a few Muslims over either a parking space or religion.
              Nonsense, most of those who died didn't fight for slavery, but for their country. Five and ten years ago your heard nothing about the statues, probably the majority who passed by them everyday had no idea what they were or simply ignored them. This is politics, ginned up by leftists.
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              • #8
                The people who fought for slavery were horrible awful people. The KKK who came after them were terrible horrible people. And this statue that was put up in the heyday of the KKK era to celebrate the fight for slavery, is disgusting. Good riddance to the statue. The sad thing is the America is still full of horrible awful people who mourn its loss.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Nonsense, most of those who died didn't fight for slavery, but for their country.
                  How do you know this?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                    How do you know this?
                    He doesn't, he simply prefers to think it.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      Nonsense, most of those who died didn't fight for slavery, but for their country.
                      Seems a strange thing to say about people who were traitors to their country who were literally fighting a war against their country in order to secede from it.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        this was, at bottom, a war memorial for fallen soldiers.
                        At the bottom? You mean the real motivations for why this statue was built? Like most of the confederate statues they were built during the Jim Crow era, when Southerners were resisting early Civil Rights laws meant to protect black people. Suddenly a lot of symbology regarding the Confederate war was erected. You see a huge spike around some of these events. Its a bit too strong a correlation to just have chance be able to explain it.

                        These are parts of the opening speech of its dedication. The speaker, Julian Carr, who had been a confederate soldier, says what the statue meant to him and regales the audience with tales of how he beat down a black woman for having insulted a southern woman, and urges the crowd to protect the "angle-saxon race". He alludes to the four year right after that war, which where the Klu Klux Klan in that region were lynching black people.

                        Try reading the opening speech at its dedication. http://hgreen.people.ua.edu/transcri...rr-speech.html

                        Source: Julian Carr's Speech At The Dedication Of Silent Sam

                        The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When "the bottom rail was on top" all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God.

                        ...

                        I trust I may be pardoned for one allusion, howbeit it is rather personal. One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head.

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                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        Nonsense, most of those who died didn't fight for slavery, but for their country.
                        The South fought to preserve their right to maintain slaves. That was pretty much the core driver of the entire fight.

                        Five and ten years ago your heard nothing about the statues, probably the majority who passed by them everyday had no idea what they were or simply ignored them.
                        No, seer people have been complaining about that statue since the sixties, ever since the Civil Rights movement. That's well over fifty years. There's a reality outside of what online news stories inform you about.
                        Last edited by Leonhard; 08-22-2018, 01:28 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Considering that most statues commemorating people are usually not built until several years after their passing it is not a surprise that they would be built during the Jim Crow era which started at the end of the Reconstruction era (which ended in 1877). Further, in many cases, thanks to both the cost of the war and the debt of reconstruction nobody had the money to afford erecting a statue until later.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Considering that most statues commemorating people are usually not built until several years after their passing it is not a surprise that they would be built during the Jim Crow era which started at the end of the Reconstruction era (which ended in 1877). Further, in many cases, thanks to both the cost of the war and the debt of reconstruction nobody had the money to afford erecting a statue until later.
                            Utter nonsense! The Confederate statues were built to further a 'white supremacist future', they were a calculated resistance to racial equality..

                            https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/54426...emacist-future
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                              Try reading the opening speech at its dedication. http://hgreen.people.ua.edu/transcri...rr-speech.html

                              The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South – When "the bottom rail was on top" all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God.
                              Yep. Worth bearing in mind the nature of those times.

                              Here's the KKK rally in Washington D.C. in 1925 in which 30,000+ clanspeople marched to cheering crowds...




                              How dare anyone regard them with disgust or want to tear down their statues! Those good ole days when America was great!
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