New evidence of a possible cyclic universe.
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New evidence of a possible cyclic universe.
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New evidence of a possible cyclic universe.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
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I wouldn't jump on the bandwagon just yet!
Blessings,
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI wouldn't jump on the bandwagon just yet!
Blessings,
LeeLast edited by shunyadragon; 08-23-2018, 05:28 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWouldn't signs left over from a previous cycle necessarily make the starting conditions NONsmooth?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWouldn't signs left over from a previous cycle necessarily make the starting conditions NONsmooth?
So basically at the end of the universe we have a gas of particles that is mopped up by black holes. The black holes evaporate slowly over a period of years into a soup of gravitons and photons (with a very low entropy - as per his assumptions regarding black hole behaviour). And then lo and behold, this ends up looking pretty much exactly the same as the initial conditions.
He's been searching the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation for effects he should be able to predict from this. So far though he's turned up empty handed whenever further studies have been made.
Having heard interviews from him and read his books he personally seems to think this possibility as just that. A possibility worth exploring. And he's doing that. So far he doesn't have any credible evidence to make it anything more than an interesting hypothesis.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBy definition, if the universe shrank to a singularity, there would be no place for these left over remnants to exist in to affect the next cycle. Even black holes have to exist at a location in space/time.
Beyond this, at present we have only the possibility of different hypothesis of origins, such as, the multiverse, cyclic universes, and black hole universes.
We have no definitive objective verifible evidence for any sort of 'absolute' beginning.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-24-2018, 12:00 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostMost cyclic universes are not necessarily based on the reduction of the universe to a singularity, though this seems to make that assumption, with no relics of a previous nor another universe. We do not have enough information to assume what is the nature of the singularity. All science is objectively able to do is replicate the nature of the expansion as some planc seconds after the hypothetical beginning of the expansion of the universe.
Beyond this, at present we have only the possibility of different hypothesis of origins, such as, the multiverse, cyclic universes, and black hole universes.
We have no definitive objective verifible evidence for any sort of 'absolute' beginning.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostBeyond this, at present we have only the possibility of different hypothesis of origins, such as, the multiverse, cyclic universes, and black hole universes.
We have no definitive objective verifible evidence for any sort of 'absolute' beginning.Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.
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Originally posted by QuantaFille View PostFrom what I understand, we have the wrong amount of energy and matter for there to have been an infinite number of cycles in a cyclical universe, only about a hundred or so. So you still have to explain what caused the cycles to start cycling in the first place.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postactually I thought the wmap project proved that this universe cannot collapse. It will continue to expand until it fades away.Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.
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Originally posted by QuantaFille View PostFrom what I understand, we have the wrong amount of energy and matter for there to have been an infinite number of cycles in a cyclical universe, only about a hundred or so. So you still have to explain what caused the cycles to start cycling in the first place.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postactually I thought the wmap project proved that this universe cannot collapse. It will continue to expand until it fades away.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-24-2018, 09:52 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBut you believe God created the universe, right?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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