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New evidence of a possible cyclic universe.
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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostMy beliefs are not an issue here. This is a science topic in Natural Science 301.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostBut this statement is nevertheless part of your beliefs. How can it not be?
This thread ONLY deals with scientific research concerning the possible cycles of universes as a part of the explanation of the origin of our universe.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-25-2018, 05:13 PM.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostWell, if it was from previous infinite cycles there would be no first cycle. It could possibly be that the previous infinite cycles are coming to their untimely end.Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.
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Originally posted by QuantaFille View PostNo, what I mean is that there can't have been a prior infinite number of cycles. We can only be in cycle number 100 or so, if it's cycling at all (which doesn't seem feasible). So you're still right back to explaining what put it in motion initially.
Still waiting . . .
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Originally posted by QuantaFille View PostNo, what I mean is that there can't have been a prior infinite number of cycles. We can only be in cycle number 100 or so, if it's cycling at all (which doesn't seem feasible). So you're still right back to explaining what put it in motion initially.Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostStill remains an assertion with out adequate references to be taken seriously. It assumes that a cyclic universe is isolated from the greater cosmos, which cannot be made based the present knowledge.
<snip>. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostSpecifically, what would rule out an infinite past where there never any first cycle?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostMy belief in the Baha'i Faith includes the belief in the Harmony of Science and Religion. Nonetheless I use Natural Science 301 for science topics and I use Apologetics and Philosophy for topics to deal with Religion.
This thread ONLY deals with scientific research concerning the possible cycles of universes as a part of the explanation of the origin of our universe.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostSpecifically, what would rule out an infinite past where there never any first cycle?
Suppose you had an infinite row of dominoes arranged such that one falling forward would knock over the next in line. Pick any arbitrary domino in the line. How long would it take for that domino to be knocked over by the preceding one? To put it another way, how long would it take for the state to be reached where every preceding domino had been knocked over? If the line of dominoes is infinite then it would be literally impossible to ever reach that state. So the answer to the question is, it would take an infinite amount of time for any domino in the line to be knocked over, which is another way of saying that it would be impossible for any one domino to be knocked over.
The simple fact that this universe exists at all is proof that the universe is not infinitely cyclical.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostInfinite regresses are impossible. My understanding of the issue goes like this:
Suppose you had an infinite row of dominoes arranged such that one falling forward would knock over the next in line. Pick any arbitrary domino in the line. How long would it take for that domino to be knocked over by the preceding one? To put it another way, how long would it take for the state to be reached where every preceding domino had been knocked over? If the line of dominoes is infinite then it would be literally impossible to ever reach that state. So the answer to the question is, it would take an infinite amount of time for any domino in the line to be knocked over, which is another way of saying that it would be impossible for any one domino to be knocked over.
The simple fact that this universe exists at all is proof that the universe is not infinitely cyclical.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostInsufficient information. You would to find all other possible hypothesis for prior possible universes, multi-verses false beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe discover the very beginning of the universe and find 'absolute nothing there (sarcasm noted).This is very very unlikely, since all the present evidence demonstrates these are possible.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostInfinite regresses are impossible. <snip>. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostOnly for a finite closed system. An infinite past without a beginning has no first cause. Else it would not be infinite.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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