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    People as a general rule feel a need to belong to something greater than themselves so it does not surprise me that people look for something to fill the void. We have seen this with a few atheist churches, and more commonly, with Unitarian Universalism, which I view as functionally little different from an atheist church.

    I have to question Prager's statement that leftists believe that people are basically good. Consider the rise of the social justice warrior cult that is rapidly taking over liberalism. This actually seems to have more in common with Calvinism than atheism in that it maintains that people are fated to be racist oppressors or helpless victims based on the color of the skin they are born with. They certainly do not believe that people are basically good. Even though Prager is off on that one, I think that this philosophy (intersectionalism) is very much like a religion, which still plays into his broader point.

    Another thing I've noticed about politics is the fanaticism of libertarians, which is often of a borderline religious fervor. Extreme libertarians and anarcho-capitalists seem disproportionately atheist compared to the rest of the population at large, which I think would support Prager's point.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Jesus instructed His followers to take care of the poor. He never said anything about getting government to force others to do so.

    I always find it ironic how those who refuse to listen to Him and scream about separation of Church and State whenever someone quotes Scripture when talking about social policy suddenly turn around and seek to try to use Him to support something they want.
    First point would have something to do with living in an occupied country.

    The Bible and the characters therein are available to all. While much of it is Christian or Jewish writing it is most of all, a work of world literature. ‘God’s word’ is a religious concept and a filter through which religious readers obtain an artificial appreciation of the book.
    In short, atheists read the Bible (if they read it) while Christians worship it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    The parable of the talents (Matthew 25:14-30) has the main character giving according to their ability not according to their need. And note how he took back what he gave the servant who buried the money and did nothing with it rather than used it to increase the owners wealth and gave it to the servant who had increased his wealth ten-fold.

    Doesn't sound very socialistic to me.
    John 3:9-11 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” So the people asked him, saying, “What shall we do then?” He answered and said to them, “He who has two tunics, let him give to him who has none; and he who has food, let him do likewise.”
    I am become death...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Dragule View Post
    John 3:9-11 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” So the people asked him, saying, “What shall we do then?” He answered and said to them, “He who has two tunics, let him give to him who has none; and he who has food, let him do likewise.”
    Ummm...That's not John 3:9-11 you quoted. I believe you meant Luke 3?

    IMO, that verse is talking about being prepared for the coming destruction of Jerusalem/end of the world (as they knew it).
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    The search for meaning is certainly not found in one's political view, and the secular view has no meaning, as Dawkins said:

    Source: River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life

    In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.

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    Though he still does try to find meaning!

    Source: The God Delusion

    The truly adult view ... is that our life is as meaningful, as full and as wonderful as we choose to make it.

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    Which is a rather astonishing contrast, in a universe such as he describes above, how can we find meaning in life?

    Source: The God Delusion

    If the demise of God will leave a gap, different people will fill it in different ways. My way includes a good dose of science, the honest and systematic endeavour to find out the truth about the real world.

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    There you have it, a book of facts would be meaningful, though I think most would find this unsatisfactory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I have to question Prager's statement that leftists believe that people are basically good. Consider the rise of the social justice warrior cult that is rapidly taking over liberalism. This actually seems to have more in common with Calvinism than atheism in that it maintains that people are fated to be racist oppressors or helpless victims based on the color of the skin they are born with. They certainly do not believe that people are basically good. Even though Prager is off on that one, I think that this philosophy (intersectionalism) is very much like a religion, which still plays into his broader point.
    I suspect you're somewhat missing Prager's point. Do, e.g., SJWs view themselves as basically good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    I suspect you're somewhat missing Prager's point. Do, e.g., SJWs view themselves as basically good?
    No. The ones I know engage in constant self-flagellation.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    No. The ones I know engage in constant self-flagellation.
    The few I know are incredibly self-congratulatory and insufferably smug.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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