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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd I keep explaining to you that it doesn't matter what he did, what matters is the results and the result was that we went from a near depression, 10% unemployment, losing 800,000 jobs a month to 4% unemployment and gaining 200,000 jobs a month. Trumps tax cuts and deregulation may be good for business and profits, but they aren't good for the enviroment or for creating the jobs at the rate they were created before he took office, nor are they helping the average American.
If what you care about is making the rich even richer,
making health insurance more expensive, unaffordable to millions,
destroying the environment in the name of profits
all while increasing the deficit by a trillion dollars unnecessarily
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWe, or at least I, am talking data, rogue, not the "there were a lot of complaints" type of argument. The facts are that everyone including blacks were doing better under the Obama's Administration
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou don't care to see data, OBP. If you did, you'd see it!Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Alsharad View PostPretty sure that the average American is taking home more money now than they were 4 years ago.
You mean making everyone richer... yes, the rich get richer.
Tell me, do you work for a poor person? I don't. Rich people create jobs. Poor people don't. Why do you care if the rich get richer so long as the poor don't get poorer?
It already was unaffordable to millions.
And it was policies that demanded that insurance companies essentially subsidize bad behavior that caused the issues. I mean, I am all for "no pre-existing conditions", but it would be foolish to think that the insurance prices would remain unchanged when they are forced to carry someone that they know for a fact will lose them money.
Like when the US did better at reducing emissions than any of the Paris accord members?
Trump only has veto power over spending bills. He cannot increase the deficit.
And if you knew about the infinite horizon fiscal gap, you would know that deficit and national debt are largely meaningless at this point. You want to blame exploding debt and deficits, blame the senators and representatives for the last 20 years.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI'm pretty sure you're wrong. Any small gains in tax cuts are lost to continued stagnant wages, increasing healthcare costs, and then there's inflation. Trump has been in office for 2 years, not 4.
Everyone? The only ones feeling richer are those at the top where the tax cuts actually had an effect.
Thats what your ilk doesn't seem to understand, we don't care if people get rich, that's a good thing, so long as the wealth is fairly distributed.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWow I must be at the top then! I am getting a lot more than I did two years ago. And just from the tax break I am making about $1500 more a year!
Translation: we don't care if people get rich as long as we get their money!
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI'm pretty sure you're wrong. Any small gains in tax cuts are lost to continued stagnant wages, increasing healthcare costs, and then there's inflation. Trump has been in office for 2 years, not 4.
Everyone? The only ones feeling richer are those at the top where the tax cuts actually had an effect.
Thats what your ilk doesn't seem to understand, we don't care if people get rich, that's a good thing, so long as the wealth is fairly distributed. That hasn't been the case in a very long time in this country and that's because the rich have been pulling the political strings.
Glad you agree, now maybe you'll vote for those who will do something about it rather than giving huge tax breaks to those who don't need it.
Insurance companies would love your illogic. If the "health" insurance companies are only interested in insuring the healthy, then they don't belong in the "health" insurance business. We as a people don't have to make the Insurance companies more and more profitable at the expense of our own health and costs.
Cherry pick much. First off that's rubbish
second we're talking environmental, not just climate regulations. Do you know that corporations are not only polluting the atmosphere which is causing catostrophic weather events, they are poisoning the food that you eat, the water we drink, polluting the rivers and the land? No, I don't suspect you do!
Oh, I see, so the republican Congress is responsible for the increased debt and deficit under Obama?
You blame them both, and sometimes it's necessary, sometimes it's not. Under Obama it was necessary, there was a banking crisis and we were in a deep recession that required spending to get out from under. We're not in that situation now.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYeah, and when you factor in inflation, not to mention health care cost, that extra $25 or $30 dollars a week which you claim to be getting, isn't getting you anywhere.
But the corporations and the wealthy CEO's are rolling in it, and they ain't passing it on down to you.
Wrong stupid, we don't care if they get rich, we want them to get rich, we just want to make sure they treat fairly those who do the work that makes them richer. They can check their greed and do that on their own, or we can do it by legislation.
If you are dead set on legislation, then let's start with people that really don't bring much value to the economy: musicians, actors, and athletes. How would you legislate their salaries? They obviously do not deserve them, right?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYeah, and when you factor in inflation, not to mention health care cost, that extra $25 or $30 dollars a week which you claim to be getting, isn't getting you anywhere. But the corporations and the wealthy CEO's are rolling in it, and they ain't passing it on down to you.
a recent gas price when I filled up:
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Wrong stupid, we don't care if they get rich, we want them to get rich, we just want to make sure they treat fairly those who do the work that makes them richer. They can check their greed and do that on their own, or we can do it by legislation.
I am all for better wages, but that has nothing to do with "wealth distribution" which is what you said. Wealth distribution is taking money from the rich, usually though taxes, to give to the poor. Government playing Robin Hood, and keeping a generous portion for themselves while they are at it.
The free market usually takes care of overly greedy business owners. If they don't pay a decent wage they can't keep employees who make them money. Especially in a job seeker's market like we have here.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNope. As I already told Starlight, inflation hasn't changed any local prices. And inflation would happen regardless of any tax breaks so even if it did raise prices, having more money to cover it is a good thing, versus NOT having extra money. Same with healthcare.
a recent gas price when I filled up:
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Right, you expect them to give you the money that they earned and you didn't.
I am all for better wages, but that has nothing to do with "wealth distribution" which is what you said. Wealth distribution is taking money from the rich, usually though taxes, to give to the poor. Government playing Robin Hood, and keeping a generous portion for themselves while they are at it.
The free market usually takes care of overly greedy business owners. If they don't pay a decent wage they can't keep employees who make them money. Especially in a job seeker's market like we have here.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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I do want to mention that I do take issue that the salary ratio of highest to lowest paid employee has ballooned to ridiculous levels. I think that there is definitely something wrong. However, what is wrong is that our culture is devoid of virtue. That is not something that legislation can fix. We glorify wealth rather than generosity. We glorify self over others. What do you expect when you practically eliminate moral standards and undermine their very bases. If I do not have to value you as a person, then there is nothing wrong with using you as a means to an end - my personal wealth. If you argue that I do have to value you as a person, I'd ask you to empirically prove it and provide evidence for your belief.
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Originally posted by Alsharad View PostI do want to mention that I do take issue that the salary ratio of highest to lowest paid employee has ballooned to ridiculous levels. I think that there is definitely something wrong. However, what is wrong is that our culture is devoid of virtue. That is not something that legislation can fix. We glorify wealth rather than generosity. We glorify self over others. What do you expect when you practically eliminate moral standards and undermine their very bases. If I do not have to value you as a person, then there is nothing wrong with using you as a means to an end - my personal wealth. If you argue that I do have to value you as a person, I'd ask you to empirically prove it and provide evidence for your belief.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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