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The fact that science cannot make any pronouncement about ethical principles has been misinterpreted as indicating that there are no such principles; while in fact the search for truth presupposes ethics. - Karl Popper, 1987
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostThen why would the verse apply to the saints who have not yet been resurrected?The fact that science cannot make any pronouncement about ethical principles has been misinterpreted as indicating that there are no such principles; while in fact the search for truth presupposes ethics. - Karl Popper, 1987
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostSure it's such a term, but Mormons swear by it and the capacities the underwear has.
We have miracles in all traditions of Christianity and Deuteronom 13 shows us that miracles alone are not enough to substantiate a message.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostThat doesn't answer my question at all.The fact that science cannot make any pronouncement about ethical principles has been misinterpreted as indicating that there are no such principles; while in fact the search for truth presupposes ethics. - Karl Popper, 1987
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Originally posted by Dante View Postconcerning the resurrection of the dead
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post...such as?
How many times must I repeat that we must "test the spirits" before you acknowledge that you're burning a strawman here, Nick? I never said that miracles alone are enough to substantiate a message. At most weekday liturgies in my diocese, the antiphonal refrain, "O Son of God, who are wonderful in your saints, save us who sing to you..." is sung. Miracles wrought through the intercession of saints give glory to God. Do you honestly think satan works that way?
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostJesus has YHWH speaking in the present tense. At that moment, He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is the God of the living and not of the dead. They would also connect this then to the covenant and the promise of the Land. These saints would come back to receive the fulfillment of the promise, which would actually go out to the whole world.The fact that science cannot make any pronouncement about ethical principles has been misinterpreted as indicating that there are no such principles; while in fact the search for truth presupposes ethics. - Karl Popper, 1987
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Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View PostI was trying to find a story I had read years ago, but I can't because of safe search I have set up on my computer so I can't for now.
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All said was miracles alone are not enough to substantiate truth. [/quot]e
Where did I say they were?
Could God truly heal some at tombs of saints and such? Yes. Is it the tomb that matters or the faith that matters? God I think could freely heal people who go there and even if their doctrine isn't perfect, and none of us have that, still give them a gift of grace.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Not so much faith as it is the grace of God that remained in the relics and other physical objects such as icons that matters. I highly doubt that the centurion whose ear got cut off by Peter was healed because of his faith.The fact that science cannot make any pronouncement about ethical principles has been misinterpreted as indicating that there are no such principles; while in fact the search for truth presupposes ethics. - Karl Popper, 1987
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