A.C. is not against Christian Churches

[David]

The following post is intended for futurists that know that prophecy concerns the future and that we have to know it to understand the present and future Prophecy. The other basics you would have to know is that the Lord is not nationalistic, and that the Lord's people are few and not in the millions and billions composing whole countries. If you know these basics, then the following may make sense to you in the 'Spirit' and in the present tense as this insane war breaks out...

God bless you in your understanding of the future....

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The A.C.is Not against the Christian Church System


Church prophecy usually says that the A.C. is against their churches and will fight their so-called Christian countries.This false doctrine then allows them to preach, that their congregations should fight all non-Christian countries, especially the Muslims. Why, because they consider the Anti-Christ to be a madman from some Muslim country, that will amass Muslims around the world and try to dethrone the Christian/Jewish domination on world power. For in doing this, they can declare that their oboxious mix of Christianity and nationalistic patriotism is justified according to their doctrine. And hence they can condone and encourage war upon any country that is not aligned to their nationalistic god. But this is absolutely contraryto what the Bible teaches, and what the Lord himself taught.

For according to Jesus, the Anti-Christ will say he is Christ, and will try to win the church Christians to himself. He will say he is the 'Messiah', and try to win the Jews to himself. And he will try to say he is the 'Madhi', and try to win the Muslims to himself. In other words, he will attempt to teach and show them and demonstarte to them through his exploits and conquests that he is a fulfillment of all thier prophecies and expectations .... and that they therefore should bow to him and serve him because he will say he is the Christ and he is GOD.

But when does this one embodiment of the Anti-Christ come into power ? Well according to Daniel 7, and other scriptures the one and only Anti-Christ that is destined to lead the 8th World Empire, will arise after the Covenant of Daniel is signed, for he will be against it. ( SEE 7 Kingdoms of Man ). And then shall start the Great Tribulation of 1260 days. (See Daniel Timeline ). So let's go over more verses that show this ...with my comments in ....(...)

Mathew 24:21, 22 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. (In other words, the Lord is telling us, that at the start of tribulation ..... many will be saying they are the 2nd coming or even the first coming of Christ. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM, and do not believe the world military and political leader, called the Beast that will be saying he is Christ. Because Jesus does not return until AFTER the Tribuation of 42 months SEE Rapture After the Tribulation )

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Why because at this time, the False Prophet and the A.C. Beast are doing miracles to deceive the whole religious world. Rev 13:13,14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM !!! )

Mat 24:25,26 Behold, I have told you before. (And only us the elect 144,000 will understand this, because we know scriptures and know he is lying ) Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.(Exactly as Jesus is not in the 3rd Temple in Jerusalem, ruling and reigning upon the Throne. that is the ANTI-CHRIST and not the Lord of Lords) For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Yes because the Lord comes back in the clouds and in power not as a mere man next time !!)

And so as Paul said .... 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (this meaning that the AC must come before the Lord returns and this AC goes into the 3rd temple and declares that he himself is Jesus, the messiah and the Madhi, all wrapped up in one and that all nations, and all people and all nationalities must worship him and take his Mark.)

Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. (This portion of Daniel istalking about the how the AC will speak against the God of Gods because he will be saying He is God. He won't be anti-religious but pro-religious, because he will be saying he is the answer to all religions)

Revelation 13:5-8 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (He blasphemes because he is saying he is God which is the ultimate blasphemy to the Lord). And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, (Yes because all nations will bow to him whether Christian or Jewish or Muslim as the A.C. will be their God, here on earth, and yet they have chosen poorly and taken his Mark which will bring them eternal damnation. And he and they will fight us, as we flee into the wilderness where we have a place prepared for us by the Lord.)

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Yes these great words the AC beast shall speak are that he is the Christ, and that Christians should follow him and obey him. And even tell them that we are the rebels and terrorists that they must snuff out in order to rid the world of the disobedient SEE We shall be called devils. And we shall be given into his hand for 3 and a half years during the tribulation, as time and times and dividing of times means 3 and a half years SEE We shall fight and die. For even though we battle against him and his forces, he eventually wears us out and almost totally annihilates us. And yet when he thinks he and the world have gotten the voctory by killing our two prophets (Revelation 11), then the Lord returns in the clouds three and a half days later. For then and only then shall our long awaited RESSURRECTION take place as the Lord takes us to be with Him. We party at the 'Wedding Feast of the Lamb', and then return and get the victory behind our leader, JESUS at the Battle of Armageddon

So the A.C. won't be a madman, or a cult leader, or a Muslim dictator like Saddam Hussein, but a well spoken, handsome.leader that will be idolized by ALL religions and all nationalities and all people, except for the Elect. For the Elect of the Lord will know better and will serve the true Lord until the End

According to Scriputres

David

The A.C.is Not against the Christian Church System


Church prophecy usually says that the A.C. is against their churches and will fight their so-called Christian countries.This false doctrine then allows them to preach, that their congregations should fight all non-Christian countries, especially the Muslims. Why, because they consider the Anti-Christ to be a madman from some Muslim country, that will amass Muslims around the world and try to dethrone the Christian/Jewish domination on world power. For in doing this, they can declare that their oboxious mix of Christianity and nationalistic patriotism is justified according to their doctrine. And hence they can condone and encourage war upon any country that is not aligned to their nationalistic god. But this is absolutely contraryto what the Bible teaches, and what the Lord himself taught.

For according to Jesus, the Anti-Christ will say he is Christ, and will try to win the church Christians to himself. He will say he is the 'Messiah', and try to win the Jews to himself. And he will try to say he is the 'Madhi', and try to win the Muslims to himself. In other words, he will attempt to teach and show them and demonstarte to them through his exploits and conquests that he is a fulfillment of all thier prophecies and expectations .... and that they therefore should bow to him and serve him because he will say he is the Christ and he is GOD.

But when does this one embodiment of the Anti-Christ come into power ? Well according to Daniel 7, and other scriptures the one and only Anti-Christ that is destined to lead the 8th World Empire, will arise after the Covenant of Daniel is signed, for he will be against it. ( SEE 7 Kingdoms of Man ). And then shall start the Great Tribulation of 1260 days. (See Daniel Timeline ). So let's go over more verses that show this ...with my comments in ....(...)

Mathew 24:21, 22 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. (In other words, the Lord is telling us, that at the start of tribulation ..... many will be saying they are the 2nd coming or even the first coming of Christ. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM, and do not believe the world military and political leader, called the Beast that will be saying he is Christ. Because Jesus does not return until AFTER the Tribuation of 42 months SEE Rapture After the Tribulation )

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (Why because at this time, the False Prophet and the A.C. Beast are doing miracles to deceive the whole religious world. Rev 13:13,14 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM !!! )


(Continued at .... http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...uchSystem.html )

[bar Jonah]

03-10-2003 @ 08:36 PM
David:
For according to Jesus, the Anti-Christ will say he is Christ, and will try to win the church Christians to himself. He will say he is the 'Messiah', and try to win the Jews to himself. And he will try to say he is the 'Madhi', and try to win the Muslims to himself. In other words, he will attempt to teach and show them and demonstarte to them through his exploits and conquests that he is a fulfillment of all thier prophecies and expectations .... and that they therefore should bow to him and serve him because he will say he is the Christ and he is GOD.

Really? Jesus said that about the Antichrist claiming to be the Mahdi... even though Islam didn't appear for another seven centuries? Wow!

Is that in the same general part of the Bible that talks about oil companies and the United States?

*visits the Online Bible Gateway, does some word searches*

Ah yes, here it is... in 2 Opinions 17:1-12.

[David]

Right Idea, you have the wrong Idea, for notice how you have twisted things around and made the AC a Muslim devil, whereas over and over again and again it says in scriptures that all the world and all nationalities will worship and serve the AC and all nations shall take His MARK.

The Muslims are hardly powerful and once the NWO, the real devils of this world take over their oil and break their monopoly they will be subdued like all others and be slaves to the borrower.

I mean the NWO has America totally now that Bush has indebted them even further with his trillion dollar war that he borrowed from them. The borrower is slave to the lender. Don;t you know this.

Muslims are NOT going to create a new world order, and are not going to rise up a become the 7th kingdom on Earth.

That is destined for the ten nations that sign the Covenant of Daniel, for it brings peace from this insane war of America. So the NWO order wins, and consolidates the world, and then puts their man in charge.

But the Muslims, ridiculous, they don;t even have a nuclear bomb, sxcept for weak pro-American Pakistan, as America put in their own dictator there.

Israel has nuclear weapons, and the other devoid countries have nuclear weapons. This is how wars are won, a bunch of cavemen are not going to take over the world. The Muslims aren't going to nagate US as prophecy dictates, and the Muslims are not going to riot and negate three nuclear countries with burning effigies.

No, nuclear weapons will decide the next two world kingdoms, that's science, military power, current events and prophecy.

The AC is from Russia and calls himself the Christ, Messiah, and Madhi all in one and creates a ONE RELIGION WORLD. You accept Him or you die Straight forward and simple.

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...rophecies.html

And I am sure Right Idea, you will NOT accept His MARK, because you love the Lord and will not be party to an imposter

IMO

David

[bar Jonah]

03-11-2003 @ 07:51 AM
David:

Right Idea, you have the wrong Idea, for notice how you have twisted things around and made the AC a Muslim devil, whereas over and over again and again it says in scriptures that all the world and all nationalities will worship and serve the AC and all nations shall take His MARK.

IMO

David

David, you have the wrong idea, for notice how you have twisted things around and claimed that I believe the AC is a Muslim devil, whereas I have NEVER said any such thing. What on earth are you talking about? I didn't say that anywhere! LOL

[Faramir]

03-11-2003 @ 10:40 AM
RightIdea:


David, you have the wrong idea, for notice how you have twisted things around and claimed that I believe the AC is a Muslim devil, whereas I have NEVER said any such thing. What on earth are you talking about? I didn't say that anywhere! LOL

Deja Vu?

[David]

Right idea, I must have gotten the wrong idea from your short post, and if you have the right idea that the AC is not Muslim, and that he is not against the System church, then I think you have the right idea.

Nevertheless, my lengthier explanation of what I thought was the wrong idea is still beneficial in straightening out any of those that have the wrong idea, and think that the AC will lead the Muslim world from nowhere to world supremacy.

That is ludicrous to say the least. They just don't have the power.

The Muslims certainly aren't angelic but no worse than the Christians and the Jews who will be accepting their world ruler and god, the Anti-Christ.

So let's reach the few that are willing to drop politics and religion and nationalism, and those that don;t worship materialism and bring them to the true Lord, which is Jesus

David

PS) Faramir .. to get a response you have to say something, so rather than disparaging remarks, try to make a positive statement concerning your beliefs and opinions

Thanks

[bar Jonah]

You and I are significantly different in our view of eschatology, brother David. But on this I agree -- it is the position of GODISNOWHERE that the greatest threat to the Body of Christ today is internal, not external. Post-modernism, liberal theology, relativism, worldliness are infiltrating the Body to an unprecedented degree today. And if the Antichrist is going to appear soon (a big IF), he will surely be a part of that. He surely won't be some Muslim leader.

[Rubia Warren]

I don't take it that David is trying to say that the AC will be a muslim or anything, but rather that he will appeal in some way to all the different groups (religions)... a good way to do that is for things about him and claims that he makes (along with his charisma) to seemingly fulfill not only bible prophecy, but prophecies in other religions as well. In this way, he can gain acceptance across the board, and everyone will love him and embrace him. Well.... not everyone. But for the most part, decieved people of the world.

[Hitch]

What this forum needs is a banana with tall rubber boots,,,, nahhh, hipwaders.

[Hitch]

That is destined for the ten nations that sign the Covenant of Daniel, for it brings peace from this insane war of America. So the NWO order wins, and consolidates the world, and then puts their man in charge. Are you speaking of the current proposed action against Iraq?


It would seem so in the light of your earlier ;

I mean the NWO has America totally now that Bush has indebted them even further with his trillion dollar war that he borrowed from them. The borrower is slave to the lender. Don;t you know this.

Trillion eh ? Ive told you a million times not to exagerate.


So it looks to me as though you're saying the action we are involved in presently will be the catalist by which is realized the siging of the 'Covenant of Daniel' as you put.

Correct so far?

H

[Reba]

These are the ONLY references in scripture to antichrist.


1 John 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 7
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Notice the reference numbers are there so you can read the context.

[Hitch]

I forgot something;


GOD BLESS AMERICA

[Hitch]

03-11-2003 @ 07:35 PM
La Rubia:

I don't take it that David is trying to say that the AC will be a muslim or anything, but rather that he will appeal in some way to all the different groups (religions)... a good way to do that is for things about him and claims that he makes (along with his charisma) to seemingly fulfill not only bible prophecy, but prophecies in other religions as well. In this way, he can gain acceptance across the board, and everyone will love him and embrace him. Well.... not everyone. But for the most part, decieved people of the world.

Dave says plainly it will be a Russian.


'The AC is from Russia and calls himself the Christ, Messiah, and Madhi all in one and creates a ONE RELIGION WORLD. You accept Him or you die Straight forward and simple.'


And I wondering.... arent the 'decieved people of this world' following antichrist today?


take care

Hitch

[Rubia Warren]

David, what makes you believe it will be a Russian?

[David]

Couldn;t agree with you more Right idea.... when you say ....

03-11-2003 @ 06:10 PM
RightIdea:

You and I are significantly different in our view of eschatology, brother David. But on this I agree -- it is the position of GODISNOWHERE that the greatest threat to the Body of Christ today is internal, not external. Post-modernism, liberal theology, relativism, worldliness are infiltrating the Body to an unprecedented degree today. And if the Antichrist is going to appear soon (a big IF), he will surely be a part of that. He surely won't be some Muslim leader.

As his main religious focus is materialism, but then wows the unbelievers with moracles in thier sight, and absolute miltary might for those that are reticient, and so for weak believers, they are easily overpowered with his charm, charisma, speech, looks and power ...and Yes he surely won;t be a Muslim although fulfilling their ideals as the Madhi as well.

All the Right idea, Right idea
David

PSD) And who cares about being exactly right in the here and now as long as we get the major points exact and that is to put the lord first and know the basics of the future. We will be told the essentials later if are hearts are RIGHT.