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  • #16
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    FTFY, n/c. I'll be courteous and assume you don't fall for the "Trail of Blood" codswallop. Baptists tend to make most "Protestants" look like conformists by comparison.

    studiously ignoring the extraneous apostrophe
    While the Inquisition and so-called "Burning Times" were grossly exaggerated it would be foolish to assert they didn't exist. The same could be said about the early persecutions of Baptists/Anabaptists.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #17
      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
      One tenet that all Baptists have in common or they are not really Baptists is that the 66 book Bible is the sole final authority in all matters of faith and practice of the genuine Christian faith. The Christian New Testament is the only apostolic tradition that has been handed down with certainty.
      I suspect you ought to add at least believer's baptism by immersion to that.

      I grew up essentially Independent Fundamental Baptist, and converted directly from Southern Baptist. I think I have a fairly good grasp of Baptist thought.
      Last edited by One Bad Pig; 09-09-2018, 05:47 PM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        While the Inquisition and so-called "Burning Times" were grossly exaggerated it would be foolish to assert they didn't exist. The same could be said about the early persecutions of Baptists/Anabaptists.
        Of course they existed. However, the distance between those and the so-called "Trail of Blood" is vast.
        Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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        • #19
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          Of course they existed. However, the distance between those and the so-called "Trail of Blood" is vast.
          Kinda said that.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #20
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            I suspect you ought to add at least believer's baptism by immersion to that.

            I grew up essentially Independent Fundamental Baptist, and converted directly from Southern Baptist. I think I have a fairly good grasp of Baptist thought.
            Believer's baptism [immersion] as it has been called, is the only Christian immersion taught in the Christian New Testament. What some of the irregular churches practice is not Christian immersion.
            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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            • #21
              . . . "Trail of Blood" . . .
              By American Baptist minister James Milton Carroll. Question, cite one specific that he got wrong. Just one for now.
              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Kinda said that.
                I'm not seeing it, sorry. You addressed a question I didn't ask, and I'm still not sure what you posted had to do with anything.
                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                  By American Baptist minister James Milton Carroll. Question, cite one specific that he got wrong. Just one for now.
                  We've been over this before, Paul.
                  Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                  Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                  I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    I'm not seeing it, sorry. You addressed a question I didn't ask, and I'm still not sure what you posted had to do with anything.
                    Re-read my post.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Re-read my post.
                      I have, twice. Help me out here - I feel like I'm missing something.
                      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                      Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                      I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        I have, twice. Help me out here - I feel like I'm missing something.


                        You said that you assumed I didn't fall for the "Trail of Blood codswallop" to which I replied that just because the Inquisition and "Burning Times" were highly exaggerated doesn't mean they didn't happened and likened it to the persecution of Baptists/Anabaptists (meaning while incidents might also have been heavily exaggerated there was still persecution nonetheless).

                        Then you in effect agreed saying that persecutions did take place but were exaggerated : "Of course they existed. However, the distance between those and the so-called "Trail of Blood" is vast."

                        And that's when I said I "kinda said that."



                        Is it your week to try to troll me now?

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post


                          You said that you assumed I didn't fall for the "Trail of Blood codswallop" to which I replied that just because the Inquisition and "Burning Times" were highly exaggerated doesn't mean they didn't happened and likened it to the persecution of Baptists/Anabaptists (meaning while incidents might also have been heavily exaggerated there was still persecution nonetheless).

                          Then you in effect agreed saying that persecutions did take place but were exaggerated : "Of course they existed. However, the distance between those and the so-called "Trail of Blood" is vast."
                          Well, I agreed that they existed. I was entirely silent regarding exaggeration.
                          And that's when I said I "kinda said that."



                          Is it your week to try to troll me now?
                          It is unclear to me that you understand the concept of the "Trail of Blood." It ostensibly stretches much farther back than the Inquisition (which started well before (Ana)baptists were around, to boot).
                          Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                          Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                          I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            We've been over this before, Paul.
                            Do you have anything written by the Paulicians not written by the Roman Catholic Church?
                            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                              Do you have anything written by the Paulicians not written by the Roman Catholic Church?
                              Conybeare had in his hot little hands an actual Paulician document, written by a Paulician. Also, the Armenian Church has had precious little contact with the Roman Catholic Church down through the ages. This would be evident if you'd bothered to read him. Further, Conybeare himself was an Adoptionist, and so hardly in Rome's pocket. The text I found is freely available on the Internet Archive.
                              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                              Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
                              sigpic
                              I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                Conybeare had in his hot little hands an actual Paulician document, written by a Paulician. Also, the Armenian Church has had precious little contact with the Roman Catholic Church down through the ages. This would be evident if you'd bothered to read him. Further, Conybeare himself was an Adoptionist, and so hardly in Rome's pocket. The text I found is freely available on the Internet Archive.
                                Then pick something out from the translated document as a case in point. Not just Conybeare's arguments.
                                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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