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      More from Sodom

      Oh crap I know I will get hammered for this, but I couldn't resist posting this article just to see what responses will be.


      MORE OF SODOM

      Dear Michael,

      I am a husband and a stepfather of a three-year-old. I'm hooked on pornography. I sometimes think I can't make it without it. I read your pamphlet Pornography, Road To Hell, and it fit me. I'm 29 and I need someone to talk to. I need lot's of prayers. I want to stop this bondage I am in. I could use some help. God bless your website.



      MICHAEL ANSWERS

      You don't need to talk to anyone. You don't need help. You don't need prayer. You need to repent. Nearly every porno freak to whom I have spoken has expressed a desire to be free from his addiction. The same is true of alcoholics and dopeheads. I have spoken with prostitutes and Sodomites. They all say the same thing. They are miserable; life is a disappointment. They know they are in trouble. They want to quit very badly, but they are “so dependent on it.” I have seen them cry, swear they will never do it again, and then go right back. They will confess their sins, ask for special prayer, let you cast the devils out of them, and then crawl back to their sin. Many professing Christians, preachers and priests included, are caught in a web of debauchery.

      I said you don't need to talk to anyone, because no one can help you. You don't have an emotional problem that you need to "work through." You don't need affirmation or understanding. Yours is not a failure of information. You are a sinner, living after the flesh, and you are dead in trespasses and sins. No counselor can help you deal with your sin.

      I said you don't need help because no one can help you decide what you value. If you love the flesh and do not fear God, if you are not afraid of hell, if you do not value your marriage and your self-respect, if you choose to have the worldview of a baboon—to eat, sleep, and play with yourself—no one can help you except to assure you of the misery you will experience in this life and of damnation in the next.

      I said you don't need prayer, because God does not help sinners quit their sin. God commands the sinner to repent, and then God places his Spirit inside of believers, and by that Spirit the children of God are all overcomers. Those who are not overcomers are overcome of sin and will continue to be enslaved unless they become truly born again.

      When you fear God and hell, you will lose your appetite for everything but forgiveness and restitution. You will stay on your knees, fasting, until you touch God and receive the new birth. When you repent to God, you will hate sin so thoroughly that the very thought of a porno image will make you sick to your stomach.

      You have never been sincere about ceasing to do pornography. By the time you receive this reply you will doubtless have returned to your lonely room of self-love. If you really wanted to quit, you would permanently disconnect from the internet. If you must use computers at work, you would get a job working in lawn care. You would disconnect your TV from the cable or satellite. You would burn all the images you now have, and you would spend your free time in the Word of God—that is, if you were sincere. There are other, more drastic and permanent methods of ridding oneself of the means to lust, but I will not recommend them. I will leave that to the words of Jesus, found in Matthew 5:29-30: 18:9.

      Paul said, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek" (Romans 1:16). I have seen many porno freaks, queers, lesbians, prostitutes, dope heads, alcoholics, and adulterers repent toward God and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and never return to their sin a single time. Either the gospel of Jesus Christ is what it claims to be or it is empty religious nonsense. Either Christ forgives the sinner and delivers him from the acts of sin or we are at the mercy of counselors and therapists.

      The move is yours, not God’s. God did everything that is necessary to forgive the greatest sinner and to keep him from committing sin. But God cannot save the unrepentant. And, my friend, you have never repented to God. The choice is yours.

      From years of experience, seeing God change lives, I have every confidence that the same gospel that has worked a change in others will work a change in you—when you are willing.


      (on www.nogreaterjoy.org the book To Train Up A Child can be purchased for $4.50).


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      Re: More from Sodom

      Ack! That's horrible! This guy claims to be a Christian? Yikes, that's about the most blatant example of utter disregard for Jesus by one of his "followers" that I have ever seen!

      I've heard it said that until one aquires a full understanding of just how deep His love and forgiveness run and how much we need them, we can't ever put it into practice to the extent we ought to. This is a good example of a man who needs to be reminded of just how precious the love of Jesus really is!
      If there is anything I’ve learned from both conservatives and liberals, it’s that we can have all the “right” answers and still be mean. And when you’re mean, it’s hard for people to listen to, much less desire, your truth.

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      Re: More from Sodom

      Wow. If he truly is addicted, then he needs to seek help. If he goes to a porno site once a week and thinks he is hooked, then he just needs a hobby, and maybe to lighten up a bit.
      Meh.

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      Re: More from Sodom


      I am sorry- I couldn't resist you guys. When I read it I was like dang-EEE.


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      Re: More from Sodom

      I guess the world won't know that we are Christians by HIS love, now, will they.
      "... engage your brain before you engage your weapon." - Gen. James Mattis, USMC

      I don't care how systematic your theology is until you show me how biblical it is.

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      Re: More from Sodom

      Quote Originally posted by themuzicman
      I guess the world won't know that we are Christians by HIS love, now, will they.
      Sounds like:

      "If Fred Phelps could hi-jack Ann Landers for one day..."

      Might as well just point at the poor guy and say "FORNICATOR!" "Put him in the stocks, off to the brig..."

      It's a far cry from Jesus, Who offered the woman at the well the opportunity to drink of the Living Water, and then empowered her to "go and sin no more."
      "Your eyes beheld my unformed substance. In your book were written all the days that were formed for me, when none of them as yet existed" - Psalm 139:16 (NRSV)

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      Re: More from Sodom

      Quote Originally posted by Roll the R

      I am sorry- I couldn't resist you guys. When I read it I was like dang-EEE.
      I went and read some of the other letters on various topics in their web site......ouch.... the one on the "Abusive Husband".....Mrs Debbi Pearl's response implies that God at times would kill the violent husband... and today a wife, since she is not permitted to divorce him, may still ask God to be delivered.....it does not quite settle with me that a prayer or petition to God would contain the notion of " can you please zap hubby?".

      You can see the same hateful tone in Michael Pearl's response to a letter from a Lady married to a man addicted to pornography.

      It is saddening and also angering to see folks who genuinely are asking for help because they need it and they are trying to find means to get out of their gutter being reminded that they are in the gutter over and over again.

      Like kicking the wounded sheep instead of picking it up and carrying it to a safe place of recovery.

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      Quote Originally posted by Rahab
      I went and read some of the other letters on various topics in their web site......ouch.... the one on the "Abusive Husband".....Mrs Debbi Pearl's response implies that God at times would kill the violent husband... and today a wife, since she is not permitted to divorce him, may still ask God to be delivered.....it does not quite settle with me that a prayer or petition to God would contain the notion of " can you please zap hubby?".

      You can see the same hateful tone in Michael Pearl's response to a letter from a Lady married to a man addicted to pornography.

      It is saddening and also angering to see folks who genuinely are asking for help because they need it and they are trying to find means to get out of their gutter being reminded that they are in the gutter over and over again.

      Like kicking the wounded sheep instead of picking it up and carrying it to a safe place of recovery.
      I agree almost entirely. Except for the article on the abusive husband, which really spoke to me with my present problems in life. I didn't particularly agree with the God zapping hubby part, but I got a lot out of the rest of the article....... and I also did not agree with the part concerning if the husband is molesting the children- I would divorce the man and never reconcile, and I believe that would fall under the "adultery" category, so even by their own standards in saying that you cannot divorce except if there is adultery, you most certainly can if he is molesting children. That is adultery in the most horrifying form.


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      Re: More from Sodom

      Quote Originally posted by Roll the R
      Oh crap I know I will get hammered for this, but I couldn't resist posting this article just to see what responses will be.


      MORE OF SODOM

      Dear Michael,

      I am a husband and a stepfather of a three-year-old. I'm hooked on pornography. I sometimes think I can't make it without it. I read your pamphlet Pornography, Road To Hell, and it fit me. I'm 29 and I need someone to talk to. I need lot's of prayers. I want to stop this bondage I am in. I could use some help. God bless your website.



      MICHAEL ANSWERS

      You don't need to talk to anyone. You don't need help. You don't need prayer. You need to repent. Nearly every porno freak to whom I have spoken has expressed a desire to be free from his addiction. The same is true of alcoholics and dopeheads. I have spoken with prostitutes and Sodomites. They all say the same thing. They are miserable; life is a disappointment. They know they are in trouble. They want to quit very badly, but they are “so dependent on it.” I have seen them cry, swear they will never do it again, and then go right back. They will confess their sins, ask for special prayer, let you cast the devils out of them, and then crawl back to their sin. Many professing Christians, preachers and priests included, are caught in a web of debauchery.

      I said you don't need to talk to anyone, because no one can help you. You don't have an emotional problem that you need to "work through." You don't need affirmation or understanding. Yours is not a failure of information. You are a sinner, living after the flesh, and you are dead in trespasses and sins. No counselor can help you deal with your sin.

      I said you don't need help because no one can help you decide what you value. If you love the flesh and do not fear God, if you are not afraid of hell, if you do not value your marriage and your self-respect, if you choose to have the worldview of a baboon—to eat, sleep, and play with yourself—no one can help you except to assure you of the misery you will experience in this life and of damnation in the next.

      I said you don't need prayer, because God does not help sinners quit their sin. God commands the sinner to repent, and then God places his Spirit inside of believers, and by that Spirit the children of God are all overcomers. Those who are not overcomers are overcome of sin and will continue to be enslaved unless they become truly born again.

      When you fear God and hell, you will lose your appetite for everything but forgiveness and restitution. You will stay on your knees, fasting, until you touch God and receive the new birth. When you repent to God, you will hate sin so thoroughly that the very thought of a porno image will make you sick to your stomach.

      You have never been sincere about ceasing to do pornography. By the time you receive this reply you will doubtless have returned to your lonely room of self-love. If you really wanted to quit, you would permanently disconnect from the internet. If you must use computers at work, you would get a job working in lawn care. You would disconnect your TV from the cable or satellite. You would burn all the images you now have, and you would spend your free time in the Word of God—that is, if you were sincere. There are other, more drastic and permanent methods of ridding oneself of the means to lust, but I will not recommend them. I will leave that to the words of Jesus, found in Matthew 5:29-30: 18:9.

      Paul said, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek" (Romans 1:16). I have seen many porno freaks, queers, lesbians, prostitutes, dope heads, alcoholics, and adulterers repent toward God and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and never return to their sin a single time. Either the gospel of Jesus Christ is what it claims to be or it is empty religious nonsense. Either Christ forgives the sinner and delivers him from the acts of sin or we are at the mercy of counselors and therapists.

      The move is yours, not God’s. God did everything that is necessary to forgive the greatest sinner and to keep him from committing sin. But God cannot save the unrepentant. And, my friend, you have never repented to God. The choice is yours.

      From years of experience, seeing God change lives, I have every confidence that the same gospel that has worked a change in others will work a change in you—when you are willing.
      Good grief, with friends like these...

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      Re: More from Sodom

      Well............ This Micheal guy is one scary fellow. Thank God most Christians are just like me ........human beings.

      What a crap!!!

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