Hurricane Florence is all Trump's Fault

[mossrose]

You all are completely missing the point. The article is not blaming Trump FOR Florence, it is blaming Trump for actively working to dismantle efforts to combat human induced climate change, which is believed will produce a statistically larger number of more powerful storms. So Trump is complicit in that his actions are making it more likely climate change will continue unabated, producing more storms like Florence.

Kind of a stupid way to make the point if you ask me, it fans the flame of anti-media hysteria which defines the typical Trump supporter. But the article's main thrust, that Trump is setting us back decades in terms of dealing with AGW is valid. In fact, Trump is setting us back decades on environmental policy in general, not just AGW.

Jim

Trump's beliefs regarding climate change shouldn't even come into the conversation about a weather event like this. It's just a cheap shot at him, which is not surprising when EVERYTHING is his fault according to the media.

[One Bad Pig]

Trump's beliefs regarding climate change shouldn't even come into the conversation about a weather event like this. It's just a cheap shot at him, which is not surprising when EVERYTHING is his fault according to the media.

Huh. And here I thought the snow you're getting now was all Trump's fault.

[mossrose]

Huh. And here I thought the snow you're getting now was all Trump's fault.

I'm sure that will be the case on this evening's news.

I was being facetious, silly piggy.

[Cow Poke]

For those lost deep in the throes of TDS that doesn't matter. It's still Trump's fault.

This is a great comfort to Bush.

[One Bad Pig]

I'm sure that will be the case on this evening's news.

I was being facetious, silly piggy.

I was being facetious.

[rogue06]

This is a great comfort to Bush.

And Jaltus

[mossrose]

I was being facetious.

Then we're on the same page!!

[Cow Poke]

I was being facetious, silly piggy.

I was being facetious.

I knew BOTH of you were being facetious. And I'm not.

(at least, not in this post)

[Cow Poke]

Texas Baptist Men (Relief Organization) are already in the Carolinas, and one of the men from my Church, who is one of their supervisors, reports that they passed convoy after convoy of Electric Company vehicles from multiple states headed that way to help get power restored.

[oxmixmudd]

(emphasis added) Thank you for at least admitting that. When a policy results in unintended consequences which will actually make things worse, it absolutely should be dismantled. "Let's make it impossible to burn coal here, so the coal gets shipped to China instead, where they essentially don't even have environmental regulations!"

(emphasis added) What was that about hysteria again? Get a grip on yourself, Jim.

Got a friend that works in the EPA. That is not just an opinion.

The problem is that what Trump is doing is an overreaction that is far more favorable to buisiness interests than it should be. Yes, there have been excesses in the EPA. Yes there has to be a balancing of interest, not just one side or the other. But that is not Trump's approach.

We do not want a return to buisiness profit concerns override all others. We do not need the dismantling of climate research to appease big oil or coal or any other buisiness that doesn't like the scientific conclusion of AGW.

What is needed is a balance. Policies that respect and protect the environment without undue burden on business.

Of course what us undue burden is in the eye of the beholder. A good example of which can be found in this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/u...-drilling.html

Hard for us laymen to know if the Obama era rules are 'too much'. But we can know that what existed before Deep Water Horizon likely wasn't enough, and we certainly don't need another event to be fostered by carelessness or over-zealous favoritism to the business concerns.

Btw, your accusations of hysteria on my part in my previous post are wholly unfounded ad hominem. Trump's attacks on climate research and the EPA are significant and aggressive. Setting us back decades is not an exaggeration, though it may not apply in all areas.


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

"Trump is complicit" In what? "another hurricane"

They blame Trump, then back off and say "his AGW denial"

Even with complete denial, there is no way his policy has had any change on the climate in 1-1/2 years.

Did you read my post or just react to the fact I didn't happen to agree with the majority take on it?

It would appear it is the latter because I certainly didn't offer any agreement whatsoever with the idea Florence is somehow Trump's fault. I criticized that approach to the headline in fact.


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Trump's beliefs regarding climate change shouldn't even come into the conversation about a weather event like this. It's just a cheap shot at him, which is not surprising when EVERYTHING is his fault according to the media.

We would agree that trying to pin the hurricane on Trump is stupid. The argument in the article (as opposed to its headline) that Trump's policies are the sort of policies that will make hurricanes like florence more likely is accurate. As well as the argument that by moving things backwards in this arena, it worsens the total effect.


Jim

[mossrose]

We would agree that trying to pin the hurricane on Trump is stupid. The argument in the article (as opposed to its headline) that Trump's policies are the sort of policies that will make hurricanes like florence more likely is accurate. As well as the argument that by moving things backwards in this arena, it worsens the total effect.


Jim

We should probably just blame God, since He is in charge of the weather.

[One Bad Pig]

What is needed is a balance. Policies that respect and protect the environment without undue burden on business.

I agree, there needs to be a balance.

Btw, your accusations of hysteria on my part in my previous post are wholly unfounded ad hominem. Trump's attacks on climate research and the EPA are significant and aggressive. Setting us back decades is not an exaggeration, though it may not apply in all areas.


Jim

Doubling down on your assertion does not make it any less hysterical, Jim. An easy majority of your posts on Trump, from an objective point of view, are rife with hysteria. Your general thrust is that Trump is worse than all other presidents combined, by orders of magnitude. It is quite unsettling to see; I'd always viewed you as much more even-keeled in the past.

[Starlight]

Setting aside the silly OP. My concerns on the topic are:

- The last hurricane, Maria in Puerto Rico, caused the biggest death toll (2,982) of any US natural disaster in the last 100 years. And most of those fatalities were preventable and occurred after the hurricane due to loss of power & water supplies. The Trump administration did a worse job of handling it than Bush did of Katrina. Less than 2 weeks after Maria I said Trump should resign due to his atrocious handling of the recovery, and a year later when it has become clear how many thousands of Americans died due to the incompetence of the response, Trump still refuses to take any responsibility whatsoever and literally rates his handling of the event as "higher than A+".

- The Trump administration has funneled $10m out of FEMA to fund ICE. So despite their past failures at hurricane recovery, and their knowledge that more hurricanes are coming, they instead want to spend the money separating families and imprisoning babies.

- The Trump administration has utterly failed to address the global problem of climate change that many scientists agree is making hurricanes worse and more frequent.