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"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostCould you maintain your attitude if it was your son or your father or your brother? See, it cuts both ways.
Believe it or not I have in my past dealt with situations like this. It is hard. You defend the one you love, but you understand the difficulty to the loved ones on the other side as well.
Sin has great consequence. And it is not always clear where the actual sin lies. No one is served by rush to judgement, hatred or the desire for revenge, or by fear. The Bible tells us how to deal with evil, but it is not easy do it Christ's way.
But it is the best and the right way.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 10-09-2018, 04:43 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYes it does. I am responding to the irrational request the victim be silent if the did not come forward immediately. So my responses appear one sided. The accused is innocent till proven guilty. And there can be no compromise there.
Believe it or not I have in my past dealt situations like this. It is hard. You defend the one you love, but you understand the difficulty to the loved ones on the other side as well.
Sin has great consequence. And it is not always clear where the actual sin lies. No one is served by rush to judgement, hatred or the desire for revenge, or by fear. The Bible tells us how to deal with evil, but it is not easy do it Christ's way.
But it is the best and the right way.
Jim
It IS hard. Fortunately the truth came out (in our favor). It's why I reserve judgement, but am skeptical against Ford's charges...but not dismissive of them."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYes it does. I am responding to the irrational request the victim...
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOne of our local therapists, in dealing with young women, encourages them "if you can't talk to anybody, write down what happened, and mail (email or snail mail - snail male preferrably) it to yourself".
Her reasoning is
A) You will have a record of what happened date/time stamped by the USPS (just keep the letter and don't open it)
2) It will help you focus your thoughts and document what you believe actually happened
3) If, at a later time, you want to go public, you'll have the details recorded
It's not a slam dunk "it happened", but just think where we would be if Ford had done that, or written in a diary, or shared that information with a friend at the time it allegedly happened.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJust having an idea for something isn't enough for a patent. you have to actually make it work. Heck I have all sorts of ideas that don't exist yet. One of my favorites is digital glasses or contacts, where the lenses adapt to your prescription and can also double as display overlays for augmented reality, or allow you to see in the dark, or zoom in like binoculars. When they invent those, remember I thought of it first!
Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI listened. And watched. That's what convinced me she was lying through her teeth. A well-rehearsed attempt to look like a damaged teenager, down to the tousled hair in her face. It was quite tragically comical, to be honest. Sound both like a well-seasoned psychologist AND a scared little girl.
Always. It's a good thing to see how we can be manipulated by others and work to minimize that.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostProve that you’re not a rapist and if you can’t, you wouldn’t mind having your entire life destroyed based on unsupported claims, right?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSince that has nothing to do with anything I said, I have no response (beyond this)."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI listened. And watched. That's what convinced me she was lying through her teeth. A well-rehearsed attempt to look like a damaged teenager, down to the tousled hair in her face. It was quite tragically comical, to be honest. Sound both like a well-seasoned psychologist AND a scared little girl.
...Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI believe that this use of language that automatically transforms an accuser into a victim when nothing has been demonstrated has been a problem.
So far the arguments against my points have as their underlying assumption the alleged victim is lying.
That assumption is NOT justified by the facts or by the evidence.
My points are also based on general moral principles. Which is all one can do when there is not proof one way or the other. And there is nothing moral about requiring a person that believes they were assaulted by someone to shut their mouths if it's been a few years. So to do the right thing we have to allow the possibility some people will abuse that right thing.
In this case, there was a lot of evil floating around on both sides trying to manipulate the process to get what they wanted. And a lot of people on both sides were hurt by that. And that evil (both republican and democrat) deserves a lot of disgust an anger. But don't you see that the sort of absolutist judgement of Ford so many of you are acting out on here is exactly the same sort of mindset that - unrestrained by your general moral character - has produced the death threats and hatred that both sides have been devastated by?
The people that protested at the supreme court are just a sure Kavanaugh did it as you and Sparko are sure Ford is lying. And they are acting out of the same rage and anger at a perceived injustice that you guys are.
Yet none of us actually knows what really happened.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostDon’t want the Kavanaugh treatment?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostRogue - you can't know if the accusation is false. I can add the word 'alleged' if it will make a rational discussion easier, but it's all basically the same thing.
So far the arguments against my points have as their underlying assumption the alleged victim is lying.
That assumption is NOT justified by the facts or by the evidence.
My points are also based on general moral principles. Which is all one can do when there is not proof one way or the other. And there is nothing moral about requiring a person that believes they were assaulted by someone to shut their mouths if it's been a few years. So to do the right thing we have to allow the possibility some people will abuse that right thing.
In this case, there was a lot of evil floating around on both sides trying to manipulate the process to get what they wanted. And a lot of people on both sides were hurt by that. And that evil (both republican and democrat) deserves a lot of disgust an anger. But don't you see that the sort of absolutist judgement of Ford so many of you are acting out on here is exactly the same sort of mindset that - unrestrained by your general moral character - has produced the death threats and hatred that both sides have been devastated by?
The people that protested at the supreme court are just a sure Kavanaugh did it as you and Sparko are sure Ford is lying. And they are acting out of the same rage and anger at a perceived injustice that you guys are.
Yet none of us actually knows what really happened.
JimThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI listened. And watched. That's what convinced me she was lying through her teeth. A well-rehearsed attempt to look like a damaged teenager, down to the tousled hair in her face. It was quite tragically comical, to be honest. Sound both like a well-seasoned psychologist AND a scared little girl.
Always. It's a good thing to see how we can be manipulated by others and work to minimize that.
I personally know several very intelligent and successful women in their careers that present a very similar demeanor when stressed or sometimes just in everyday conversation. It's just who they are.
What evidence do you have other than your own disdain for her that you are correct in your assessment this aspect of her testimony was false?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostRogue - you can't know if the accusation is false.
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI can add the word 'alleged' if it will make a rational discussion easier, but it's all basically the same thing.
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostSo far the arguments against my points have as their underlying assumption the alleged victim is lying.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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