Time To Smear Kavanaugh's Good Name...

[rogue06]

Political science majors will likely be studying that election for the next century if not well beyond trying to figure out how we got there.

[Cow Poke]

Political science majors will likely be studying that election for the next century if not well beyond trying to figure out how we got there.

Along with the upcoming one, which appears to be poised to buck all trends.

[Sparko]

I didn't. But I don't expect you to understand the difference between what I did say and what you are here implying was said.




It depends on what is said and how it is said - doesn't it. I can think of some 'opinions' that if expressed a little to strongly here could land a person in a small room discussing them with an FBI agent. But all this is so far of from where I started in any initial post I've made its absurd. I'll go back to how the mess in deep state started out. I pointed out an objective truth. I noted such things are not normally tolerated but were being tolerated there. Daring to point out the contradiction landed me in the penalty box. And that is pretty much how every conversation in Civics goes. You guys form a good 'ol boys club. And I'm an outsider making things uncomfortable. Such is life. But if you think there is any more objective reason for your offense, you are deluded.



But you didn't 'turn it around'. You just used the same words in a context where they didn't apply


Jim

There you go, making yourself the martyr again, Jim.

You made the claim that claiming Ford is wrong or lying is somehow contributing to her abuse. That is pretty clear to understand. Yet when I point out a parallel situation with Kavanaugh, you rightly deny that it is abuse of him. But rather than just admit your first statement was over the top drama queeenery, you not only try to change the scope of the discussion to comments that "could land you in a small room" with the FBI, but paint yourself as the brave person who dares to stand up to the "good old boys club."

Congratulations.

[Sparko]

Your original post is here. I suggest you reread it.

I suggest you do. Where did I say NO girls ever lies about sexual assault?

[oxmixmudd]

There you go, making yourself the martyr again, Jim.

You made the claim that claiming Ford is wrong or lying is somehow contributing to her abuse. That is pretty clear to understand. Yet when I point out a parallel situation with Kavanaugh, you rightly deny that it is abuse of him. But rather than just admit your first statement was over the top drama queeenery, you not only try to change the scope of the discussion to comments that "could land you in a small room" with the FBI, but paint yourself as the brave person who dares to stand up to the "good old boys club."

Congratulations.

Sparko - at this point there is no point. I don't follow why you cant understand the points I'm making, but at the same time, each time you respond you mangle what was said to the point I have to spend most of the time composing a reply correcting your re-interpretations of the points made - which you then just compound with a new set of reinterpretations or the old set repeated.

So what more can I do? I tried. Once a person reaches this point, where they can't echo back what has been said without distorting it, there really isn't much possibility of further discussion.

We can try again later on another topic and see how it goes.


Jim

[NorrinRadd]

The argument is that “no way will we vote for this or any other immoral person" just to get a conservative Justice on the Supreme Court come what may. This is the issue. Despite Machiavelli’s dictum, the end does NOT justify the means if the “means” are hypocritical or immoral. It is also self defeating in that those behaving this way lose the moral high ground they claim to uphold.

SCOTUS definitely was and is important -- more so than it should be, due to decades of increasing perversion of the distribution of power and responsibility among the three branches.

But I'm highly skeptical that most Evangelicals voted for Trump just because of that. Many that I know would never vote for any candidate that does not at least profess to be Pro-Life, much less a hardcore abortion defender such as Crooked Hil. That fact in and of itself left only one major option.

[Tassman]

SCOTUS definitely was and is important -- more so than it should be, due to decades of increasing perversion of the distribution of power and responsibility among the three branches.

But I'm highly skeptical that most Evangelicals voted for Trump just because of that. Many that I know would never vote for any candidate that does not at least profess to be Pro-Life, much less a hardcore abortion defender such as Crooked Hil. That fact in and of itself left only one major option.

Most Evangelicals voted for Trump and supported his nominee come what may, because Kavanaugh was a conservative judge whom they hoped would overturn Roe v Wade. This is why Trump selected him, i.e. to pander to his Evangelical base. Trump and his base exercised the Machiavellian dictum that “the end justifies the means” even though, in this instance, the “means” were cynically immoral.

The FBI was not given sufficient direction from the WH to fully investigate the numerous claims of Kavanaugh’s alcoholic past and very real possibility of sexually abusing at least one woman in his Yale days whilst in a drunken state. He was widely known to be a sloppy, aggressive and belligerent drunk. But, obviously Trump and his Evangelical base just didn’t care provided they got their own way. So much for those who claim to hold the moral high ground!

[Bill the Cat]

Most Evangelicals voted for Trump and supported his nominee come what may, because Kavanaugh was a conservative judge whom they hoped would overturn Roe v Wade. This is why Trump selected him, i.e. to pander to his Evangelical base. Trump and his base exercised the Machiavellian dictum that “the end justifies the means” even though, in this instance, the “means” were cynically immoral.

So what? We were electing a President, not a Pope. What he does in his private time is between him and God. What he does publicly affects me, and therefore, we vote on that.

The FBI was not given sufficient direction from the WH to fully investigate the numerous claims of Kavanaugh’s alcoholic past

Because it had nothing to do with his ability to wield the gavel.

and very real possibility of sexually abusing at least one woman in his Yale days

Her claims were discredited completely.

whilst in a drunken state.

Without a single bit of corroboration...

He was widely known to be a sloppy, aggressive and belligerent drunk.

As most post-teenage boys in college are. See Ted Kennedy...

But, obviously Trump and his Evangelical base just didn’t care provided they got their own way.

He is an upstanding man of good moral character and dedicated to his family. That a man can grow up and mature is like a foreign language to you liberals...

So much for those who claim to hold the moral high ground!

Considering you libs have NO morals...

[JimL]

There you go, making yourself the martyr again, Jim.

You made the claim that claiming Ford is wrong or lying is somehow contributing to her abuse. That is pretty clear to understand. Yet when I point out a parallel situation with Kavanaugh, you rightly deny that it is abuse of him. But rather than just admit your first statement was over the top drama queeenery, you not only try to change the scope of the discussion to comments that "could land you in a small room" with the FBI, but paint yourself as the brave person who dares to stand up to the "good old boys club."

Congratulations.

There is a big difference, dopey. They both have a history, and there is nothing in Dr. Ford's history to suggest she is lying, there is plenty in Kavanaughs history to suggest that he is. Neither one of them is on trial criminally, something you Kavanaugh supporters don't seem to understand, it is a which of the two is more likely to be telling the truth hearing, and that turns out to be Dr. Ford.

[Sparko]

There is a big difference, dopey. They both have a history, and there is nothing in Dr. Ford's history to suggest she is lying, there is plenty in Kavanaughs history to suggest that he is. Neither one of them is on trial criminally, something you Kavanaugh supporters don't seem to understand, it is a which of the two is more likely to be telling the truth hearing, and that turns out to be Dr. Ford.

Try to keep up JimL

[lilpixieofterror]

There is a big difference, dopey. They both have a history, and there is nothing in Dr. Ford's history to suggest she is lying, there is plenty in Kavanaughs history to suggest that he is. Neither one of them is on trial criminally, something you Kavanaugh supporters don't seem to understand, it is a which of the two is more likely to be telling the truth hearing, and that turns out to be Dr. Ford.

Still choosing to go with what you were brainwashed to believe, eh?

[One Bad Pig]

Still choosing to go with what you were brainwashed to believe, eh?

At this point, I'm wondering of JimL got the whole "brainwashed" schtick from MSNBC, or if he managed to think it up all by his lonesome.

[Cow Poke]

Most Evangelicals voted for Trump and supported his nominee come what may, because Kavanaugh was a conservative judge whom they hoped would overturn Roe v Wade. This is why Trump selected him, i.e. to pander to his Evangelical base. Trump and his base exercised the Machiavellian dictum that “the end justifies the means” even though, in this instance, the “means” were cynically immoral.

You just hate it that Trump made a promise and actually kept his word. Unfortunately for you anti-Christian bigots - he's been doing a lot of that lately. And BIGLY!

The FBI was not given sufficient direction from the WH to fully investigate the numerous claims of Kavanaugh’s alcoholic past and very real possibility of sexually abusing at least one woman in his Yale days whilst in a drunken state. He was widely known to be a sloppy, aggressive and belligerent drunk. But, obviously Trump and his Evangelical base just didn’t care provided they got their own way. So much for those who claim to hold the moral high ground!

[lilpixieofterror]

At this point, I'm wondering of JimL got the whole "brainwashed" schtick from MSNBC, or if he managed to think it up all by his lonesome.

He’s likely in shock that the Democrats are currently in the process of gift wrapping congress and handing it over to the Republicans for another 2 years. He can’t seem to accept how badly this attempted smear campaign went since numberous Americans seem to see the charges as unbacked assertions and identify with Kavanaugh over Ford. He acted like a typical young man acted, he might of done some dumb stuff in his youth, might have drunk more than he should have, partied more than he should have, and doesn’t deserve what the Democrats attempted to do. Men look at this and wonder if it could happen to them and women wonder if this could happen to the men in their life. Something you don’t want happening to someone you’re trying to smear as a rapist. I can see why Democrats are in full panic mode right now, they now seems like they have likely gift wrapped the senate over to the Republicans and in danger of the same happening to the house too.

[Terraceth]

He’s likely in shock that the Democrats are currently in the process of gift wrapping congress and handing it over to the Republicans for another 2 years.

In what way? Yes, the Repoublicans are almost certain to keep the Senate, but the Democrats seem more likely than not to take the House. The Republicans pulling off an upset victory and keeping the House is of course a possibility (then again, so is the Democrats pulling off an upset victory and winning the Senate), but I'm confused where the idea that it seems very likely the Republicans will maintain control of congress is coming from. The most likely result is Democrat control of the House and Republican control of the Senate.