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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostSo, presumably you believe we should have said, "No way we will vote for this or any other immoral person!" Presumably you would have found that to be laudable.
Would you find the following similarly praiseworthy?
-- "No way we will vote for a Roman Catholic!"
-- "No way we will vote for an Orthodox believer!"
-- "No way we will vote for a Jew!"
-- "No way we will vote for a Mormon!"
-- "No way we will vote for a Jehovah's Witness!"
-- "No way we will vote for an atheist or any other infidel!"
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWell no, there was demonstrably more than the one line to which you responded, if "response" is the correct word. There were two paragraphs, which apparently you were unable to argue against. But why should you bother? You got what you wanted and we all know you opportunistic Evangelicals don’t care what it takes to get your own way.
“Why Evangelicals Support President Trump, Despite His Immorality.”
http://time.com/5161349/president-tr...-slaveholders/
But whilst you may win the battle you are losing the war and it’s your own fault.
“Trends are unmistakable. According to polls conducted by the Pew Foundation, 23 percent of Generation X Americans (born between 1965-1980) claim no religious affiliation. That number rises to 34 percent of older millennials (born between 1981-1989), and to 36 percent of younger millennials (born between 1990 and 1996). Although the retreat from traditional forms of Christianity has long been apparent in western European countries, the pattern of a declining attachment to religion in the young is unprecedented in American history.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/blame-...hristian-faith
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou are presenting a logical fallacy know as the false dichotomy. There are many more choices than blind support vs absoute rejection.
One of the alternates would be to push back hard on Trump when he veers into immoral territory, or when he acts unwisely. To let him know beyond a shadow of a doubt that any support he got was just because of the two available choices he happened to be a slightly better choice overall, but by no means a good choice.
JimGeislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostShould we also "push back hard" against those politicians who are Catholics, Mormons, Jews, etc., just because their beliefs are incompatible with Evangelicalism, at least as much as Trump's behavior is supposedly incompatible with Evangelicalism?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThis isn't a criminal trial Terraceth, it's a confirmation hearing for a lifetime seat on the SC.
To believe that Kavanaugh wasn't lying about all of the above would be to believe that he is extremely stupid and in either case its disqualifying. The point is that Kavanaugh obviously isn't stupid, so it is more likely than not, even if you don't have absolute proof, that he was lying.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI can say that Trump's push for turkey to release the pastor was a good thing. I think his position on Israel is good. He does seem to have been good for the economy. His desire to tighten the borders is good, the implementation notwithstanding.
JimEnter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostSo, presumably you believe we should have said, "No way we will vote for this or any other immoral person!" Presumably you would have found that to be laudable.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe argument is that “no way will we vote for this or any other immoral person" just to get a conservative Justice on the Supreme Court come what may. This is the issue. Despite Machiavelli’s dictum, the end does NOT justify the means if the “means” are hypocritical or immoral. It is also self defeating in that those behaving this way lose the moral high ground they claim to uphold.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYeah, if the catholic, the jew, the mormo, the athiest or whatever, was an immoral, mysogynistic, sexual molesting, thieving, treasonous, autocrat it would be praiseworthy, as you put it, for evangelicals not to have voted for him. But as we can see, the sheep are led by the wolves.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe way I see it, Trump is flawed, but Hillary is evil. It wasn't a hard choice.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostNot just flawed but seriously flawed -- yet still better than the alternative.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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The less evil of two lessers"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostLowest bar ever.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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