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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI'd beg t differ. Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Sheila Jackson Lee, etc. are far more heinous than Trump.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI hope not. She didn't defame him unless she's lying. And she's only lying if she KNOWS he is not the perpetrator. All indications are she is quite sure he is the one. It could be a defect in her memory, but she's sure he's the one.
Is what you are saying is that she would be assumed to be lying unless she could PROVE she wasn't?
Sounds like guilty until proven innocent.
He also puts himself at risk doing that. All the leads the FBI did not have time to chase down could be pursued. What if he just can't remember himself cause he was just so plastered his memory wasn't working? Someone out there might be able to shed some light on that. There are plenty that would be willing to testify he was plastered a LOT during that time frame.
Jim
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Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View PostOnce again I answered you, and once again you rejected the answer. I would hope my reputation would speak for ne and that my friends would believe me.
As for Jesus not defending himself during his trial, not answering in that context was a deliberate show of contempt for his accusers, implying that they were beneath him and unworthy of a response.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAs a public figure, according to U.S. law, it is nearly impossible to successfully sue for defamation.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAh - so it's her fault she doesn't remember? Is it her fault THEY don't remember? How many times have you experienced something humiliating or traumatic, and something you believed you could do nothing about, that you just tried to forget?
But that IS that attitude I'm talking about. Why? Why is it so hard to just empathize with her for a few seconds and realize that hey, if she's lying she just made a fool of herself and deserves what has happened, but if not, then hey, she must be absolutely miserable. Shes facing absolute and complete public humiliation over trying to do what was right as she understood it. Why not just back off with the judgment just in case she's telling the truth? That doesn't mean you won't argue for Kavanaugh. It just means you won't be purposefully cruel to her. Is that really all that bad or hard a thing to do?
JimSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostResponding is not the same as answering.
As for Jesus not defending himself during his trial, not answering in that context was a deliberate show of contempt for his accusers, implying that they were beneath him and unworthy of a response.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostActually, I think it was a fulfillment of prophecy - Isaiah 53:7 says, "He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAh - so it's her fault she doesn't remember? Is it her fault THEY don't remember? How many times have you experienced something humiliating or traumatic, and something you believed you could do nothing about, that you just tried to forget?
But that IS that attitude I'm talking about. Why? Why is it so hard to just empathize with her for a few seconds and realize that hey, if she's lying she just made a fool of herself and deserves what has happened, but if not, then hey, she must be absolutely miserable. Shes facing absolute and complete public humiliation over trying to do what was right as she understood it. Why not just back off with the judgment just in case she's telling the truth? That doesn't mean you won't argue for Kavanaugh. It just means you won't be purposefully cruel to her. Is that really all that bad or hard a thing to do?
Jim
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postdefamation itself is notoriously hard to prove in any case. but as for the public figure exception, that usually goes for making comments about them in newpaper articles like saying Trump is in league with Russia, or He is a liar, etc. In this instance it is an attack directed at Kavanaugh personally designed to end his career and destroy his life. Still hard to prove, but it would be something that could be sued for.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostHard to prove it's designed to end his career and destroy his life; it's pretty explicitly intended to essentially prevent a promotion.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSaw it - you're pretty spot on. There's even been talk that Trump did it that way because he knew the media would play it over and over, and people would finally get to hear what the liberal media is not covering.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOh, that's kind of obvious. I think several (not all mind you) of those in the G.O.P. who are acting outraged in public are secretly delighted he did it.
"THINK about this..... " and then just lay out the contradictions and/or expose the holes.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postdefamation itself is notoriously hard to prove in any case. but as for the public figure exception, that usually goes for making comments about them in newpaper articles like saying Trump is in league with Russia, or He is a liar, etc. In this instance it is an attack directed at Kavanaugh personally designed to end his career and destroy his life. Still hard to prove, but it would be something that could be sued for.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think it would have been ok to go through the litany without the sneering... um.... mocking of her. Something like....
"THINK about this..... " and then just lay out the contradictions and/or expose the holes.
And then again maybe he understands that wouldn't have received a fraction of the coverage as it would with Trump being a jerk about it.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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