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McRaven's response mirrors the theme of Woodward's book and the OP ED in the newspaper.
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Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
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You mean handing secret information to the press should result in losing said clearance? Oh the horror that an elitist loses his TS clearance that normal people would be in prison if they had done the same thing.
"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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There is no report of releasing National Security secret information to the press by McRaven.Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostYou mean handing secret information to the press should result in losing said clearance? Oh the horror that an elitist loses his TS clearance that normal people would be in prison if they had done the same thing.
As far as Woodward's book and the OP ED there was no report of of National Security secret information to the press.
As far as is reported in the news none of those who had there security revoked released National Security secret information to the press.I believe McRaven would be very much aware of National Security secret information released to the press, and indicated nothing of the sort. Again . . .
"Through your actions, you have embarrassed us in the eyes of our children, humiliated us on the world stage and, worst of all, divided us as a nation," McRaven said of Trump's unprecedented use of a presidential authority over the classification system to strike back at one of his prominent critics.Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-14-2018, 09:50 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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I wasn’t talking about that sweety, I was talking about pulling John Brennan’s. Even at that, why does a former director need a TS?Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
BTW, military officers have to follow different rules vs civilians when it comes to criticism’s of the president. Plenty of officers have been sacked for doing just that, IE General MacAuthor being sacked by Truman.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 09-14-2018, 10:25 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; OrthodoxyComment
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As I understand it, his resignation is mostly protest against Trump's treatment of Clapper. He didn't do anything wrong.Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostYou mean handing secret information to the press should result in losing said clearance? Oh the horror that an elitist loses his TS clearance that normal people would be in prison if they had done the same thing.
Based on the facts surrounding the so called 'release of classified info', the accusation against Clapper is as 'Trumped up' as what appears to be happening the Kavanaugh.
IIRC Clapper made a vague statement and another person familiar with goings on made a lucky guess as to what it might mean and was stupid enough to declare his guess in a news interview.
JImLast edited by oxmixmudd; 09-14-2018, 11:00 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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Shouldn't that be "mCraven"?
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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No, because he is an honorable, honest highly respected veteran with the integrity that tRump totally lacks.Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostShouldn't that be "mCraven"?
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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Talk about using a shotgun approach to avoid addressing the topic of the thread. Stop throwing 'Red Herring' manure bombs and address the topic of the thread.Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
I have seen many accusations that John Brennan released National Security State secrets, but no documentation. McRaven does not think this is the case.
Can you please be specific what National Security State secrets John Brennan released to the press?
Again and again, please be specific.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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Fixed that for you.Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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No, because he is an honorable, honest highly respected veteran with the integrity that tRump totally lacks.Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostFixed that for you.
Fixed. Please do not misrepresent my posts. It is unethical. What I stated concerning McRavan reflects his reputation in the Military and the intelligence community.
Still waiting . . .Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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Oh, please. You'd praise Lucifer himself if he said something that made Trump look bad. You're not fooling anyone here, shunya.Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostEnter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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The issue is not me.Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
No, because he is an honorable, honest highly respected veteran with the integrity that tRump totally lacks.
Fixed. Please do not misrepresent my posts. It is unethical. What I stated concerning McRavan reflects his reputation in the Military and the intelligence community.
Still waiting . . .
Is there any error here in this? Can you cite anyone in the professional intelligence community and the military that disagrees.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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This is ridiculous OBP. Trump IS basically the bottom of the barrel. Very few can stoop as low as he does. So you might prefer his ideology over Clinton's, but please at least acknowledge there are a large number of people out there whose integrity and honor far exceeds Mr. Trump. And most of them are very offended by Trump. This fellow was so offended by Trump's action against Clapper he felt he needed to resign in protest. Good on him. Trump needs to be confronted with the fact there are people in the world that have integrity, and he is not one of them.Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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Despite shunya's assertion otherwise, this is indeed all about him. I have said nothing about the merits (or lack thereof) of McRaven's criticism of Trump.Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
On the subject of McRaven, he got his actions backwards; he should've resigned, THEN criticized.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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Would that you could bring yourself to put that fine a microscope on what Trump should be doing ...Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19Comment
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