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He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostWell colour me surprised. Not really...'denial' is your middle name given we know that Cohen, Manafort and other close associates of Trump, are all charged with crimes and all have had connections with Russia.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNone of the indictments have anything to do with the camaign, and having "connections with Russia" is not a crime.
Michael Flynn, Trumps national security adviser, on one count of lying to the FBI
Rick Gates, Trumps former deputy campaign manager and Manafort protιgι, on one count of conspiracy against the United States and one count of making false statements to FBI agents
George Papadopoulos, a low-level Trump foreign policy adviser, for making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the campaign.
Michael Cohen, Trumps former lawyer and fixer who committed campaign finance violations related to hush money payments he made to porn actress Stormy Daniels
And now Manafort, who was campaign chairman and chief strategist,
There is no public evidence that Trump himself committed a crime. YET, that we know of. But he hired all these people and ALL had connections to Russia; we already know from Intel that Russia interfered with and meddled with the campaign.
Coincidence much? What does Breitbart tell you to believe?He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI know a few anti-social "Christians", but, for the most part, we're a very social lot.
Obviously all the Christians you meet at your church are sufficiently social to have made it to a gathering. The anti-social ones aren't there and so you don't meet them."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI don't meet many anti-social people either, because they're antisocial.
Obviously all the Christians you meet at your church are sufficiently social to have made it to a gathering.
The anti-social ones aren't there and so you don't meet them.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostWell we have:
Michael Flynn, Trumps national security adviser, on one count of lying to the FBI
Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostRick Gates, Trumps former deputy campaign manager and Manafort protιgι, on one count of conspiracy against the United States and one count of making false statements to FBI agents
Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostGeorge Papadopoulos, a low-level Trump foreign policy adviser, for making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the campaign.
Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostMichael Cohen, Trumps former lawyer and fixer who committed campaign finance violations related to hush money payments he made to porn actress Stormy Daniels
Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostAnd now Manafort, who was campaign chairman and chief strategist,
Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostBut [Trump] hired all these people and ALL had connections to Russia
Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post...we already know from Intel that Russia interfered with and meddled with the campaign.
And you're a big fan of Bob Woodward, right? I seem to recall you praising him in the most glowing and effusive manner. Ah, right, you called him a meticulous researcher and made a big deal out the fact that he's won two Pulitzers, so presumably you consider him a trustworthy source, correct? Well, when asked if he found any evidence of collusion while researching his recently released book, he said, "I did not, and of course, I looked for it, looked for it hard." The host asked him later in the interview if he had seen any evidence at all. Woodward replied, "I have not." Before closing the interview, the host asked a third time to confirm that Woodward did not find any evidence despite spending two-years of his life digging for it. Woodward answered, "That is correct."
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...two_years.htmlSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostGeorge Papadopoulos, a low-level Trump foreign policy adviser, for making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Russians during the campaign.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
And you're a big fan of Bob Woodward, right? I seem to recall you praising him in the most glowing and effusive manner. Ah, right, you called him a meticulous researcher and made a big deal out the fact that he's won two Pulitzers, so presumably you consider him a trustworthy source, correct? Well, when asked if he found any evidence of collusion while researching his recently released book, he said, "I did not, and of course, I looked for it, looked for it hard." The host asked him later in the interview if he had seen any evidence at all. Woodward replied, "I have not." Before closing the interview, the host asked a third time to confirm that Woodward did not find any evidence despite spending two-years of his life digging for it. Woodward answered, "That is correct."
https://www.businessinsider.com/bob-...n-trump-2018-9He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Ignorant Roy View PostReally? Making false statements about contacting Russian government agents while working on the Trump campaign has nothing to do with colluding with Russians or the Trump campaign?
Hint: It had nothing to do with the Trump campaign or "Russian collusion".Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostSelective quoting. You see what you want to see. "Woodward said he looked 'hard' for collusion and didn't find it, but he still thinks Mueller has 'something' on Trump".
https://www.businessinsider.com/bob-...n-trump-2018-9
None.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSelective quoting. You see what you want to see. "Woodward said he looked 'hard' for collusion and didn't find it, but he still thinks Mueller has 'something' on Trump".
https://www.businessinsider.com/bob-...n-trump-2018-9
Given what Woodward's book does and doesn't cover, I'd say Woodward does not appear to have interviewed any of the people in the Trump Tower meeting. However it seems pretty clear in the book that the rest of the Trump staffers / cabinet (who Woodward has talked to) were rather baffled by the Russia investigation because they weren't aware of anything tying Trump to Russia and they assumed he was innocent. So it seems any Russia connection is/was limited to the people at the Trump Tower meeting (namely Trump's family and Manafort) and possibly Cohen.
Nonetheless it was fairly clear in Woodward's book that Mueller seems to think he has something. In the last chapters of the book Trump's lawyers who are personal acquaintances of Mueller go to Mueller for a chit chat and basically say "this investigation's a joke right? The President's obviously not colluding with Russia, we've given you all the evidence you asked for, and there's obviously no evidence that he's colluding", and Mueller gives them the "actually, this is dead serious, and I'm not sure you're not working for Russia" silent treatment look.
So it is clear from the book that Woodward thinks Mueller has something pretty serious, but everybody Woodward talked to among Trump's cabinet was utterly baffled about what it might be."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhat was he actually indicted for?Defendant PAPADOPOULOS made the following material false statements and material omissions to the FBI:
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Defendant PAPADOPOULOS further told the investigating agents that the professor was "a nothing" and "just a guy talk[ing] up connections or something." In truth and in fact, however, defendant PAPADOPOULOS understood that the professor had substantial connections to Russian government officials (and had met with some ofthose officials in Moscow immediately prior to telling defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the "thousands of emails") and, over a period of months, defendant PAPADOPOULOS repeatedly sought to use the professor's Russian connections in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials
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Defendant PAPADOPOULOS claimed he met a certain female Russian national before he joined the Campaign and that their communications consisted of emails such as, '"Hi , how are you?"' In truth and in fact, however, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met the female Russian national on or about March 24, 2016, after he had become an adviser to the Campaign; he believed that she had connections to Russian government officials; and he sought to use her Russian connections over a period of months in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials.
Hint: It had nothing to do with the Trump campaign or "Russian collusion".Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostWith emphasis:Defendant PAPADOPOULOS made the following material false statements and material omissions to the FBI:
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b.
Defendant PAPADOPOULOS further told the investigating agents that the professor was "a nothing" and "just a guy talk[ing] up connections or something." In truth and in fact, however, defendant PAPADOPOULOS understood that the professor had substantial connections to Russian government officials (and had met with some ofthose officials in Moscow immediately prior to telling defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the "thousands of emails") and, over a period of months, defendant PAPADOPOULOS repeatedly sought to use the professor's Russian connections in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials
c.
Defendant PAPADOPOULOS claimed he met a certain female Russian national before he joined the Campaign and that their communications consisted of emails such as, '"Hi , how are you?"' In truth and in fact, however, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met the female Russian national on or about March 24, 2016, after he had become an adviser to the Campaign; he believed that she had connections to Russian government officials; and he sought to use her Russian connections over a period of months in an effort to arrange a meeting between the Campaign and Russian government officials.
He was indicted for making false statements to the FBI about attempts to arrange meetings between the Trump campaign and Russian government officials.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Ignorant Roy View PostHe was indicted for making false statements to the FBI about attempts to arrange meetings between the Trump campaign and Russian government officials.
To put it another way, his only "crime" was not telling Mueller's goon squad what they wanted to hear.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYes. I suspect what MM is getting at here is that Papadopoulos appears to have been working independently (so, not actually directed by the campaign) and that meeting with foreign government officials is not equivalent to colluding (though meeting obviously enables collusion); further, he was not actually successful in arranging a meeting, so... no collusion.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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