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  • #16
    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    And Trump could "never win" the Republican one...
    In many ways we have gone to the flip side of the coin when we replaced presidents in recent years. From Reagan/Bush we went to a relatively young guy. From slick Willy we went to a relatively folksy guy. From often inarticulate Bush we went to Mr. Too-Cool-For-School. And from that we went to bombastic in your face Trump.

    I somehow doubt we'll elect another billionaire businessman to replace the current one.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • #17
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      In many ways we have gone to the flip side of the coin when we replaced presidents in recent years. From Reagan/Bush we went to a relatively young guy. From slick Willy we went to a relatively folksy guy. From often inarticulate Bush we went to Mr. Too-Cool-For-School. And from that we went to bombastic in your face Trump.

      I somehow doubt we'll elect another billionaire businessman to replace the current one.
      The democrats always want to push the bubble. First they front a black guy (well half-black), then a woman. Next I am thinking a non-binary transsexual gay person who is married to a tree.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Next I am thinking a non-binary transsexual gay person who is married to a tree.
        What do you have against trees?
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        • #19
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          What do you have against trees?
          I don't like them pooping leaves all over my lawn!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            The democrats always want to push the bubble. First they front a black guy (well half-black), then a woman. Next I am thinking a non-binary transsexual gay person who is married to a tree.
            It is amazing to me, in 2018, that nominating a man who is bi-racial, and a women, is considered "pushing the bubble." And that you would see the next "bubble" pushed to be so far extreme... I'm somewhat amazed at this post....
            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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            • #21
              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
              It is amazing to me, in 2018, that nominating a man who is bi-racial, and a women, is considered "pushing the bubble." And that you would see the next "bubble" pushed to be so far extreme... I'm somewhat amazed at this post....
              I mean they want to have a "first" to brag about.

              We are so progressive we had the first black president! We had the first wo- (rats scrub that one)

              Although the republicans ran a woman long ago and the democrats hated it then.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                It is amazing to me, in 2018, that nominating a man who is bi-racial, and a women, is considered "pushing the bubble." And that you would see the next "bubble" pushed to be so far extreme... I'm somewhat amazed at this post....
                Pushing bi-racial* qua bi-racial, or a woman qua woman, is indeed pushing the bubble. I want the most qualified nominee who lines up best with my interests. The other stuff is irrelevant.

                *not that I've seen anyone extol Obama as bi-racial; I've only ever seen one race constituting his heritage be extolled as a reason for voting for him.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  I mean they want to have a "first" to brag about.

                  We are so progressive we had the first black president! We had the first wo- (rats scrub that one)

                  Although the republicans ran a woman long ago and the democrats hated it then.
                  Actually - I meant pretty much what I said...
                  The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                  I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Pushing bi-racial* qua bi-racial, or a woman qua woman, is indeed pushing the bubble. I want the most qualified nominee who lines up best with my interests. The other stuff is irrelevant.

                    *not that I've seen anyone extol Obama as bi-racial; I've only ever seen one race constituting his heritage be extolled as a reason for voting for him.
                    On this we agree. On the night Obama was elected, my boys and wife were dancing in the living room while I looked on. My youngest (9 at the time) asked me why I wasn't dancing. Both my boys are black, so I felt I owed him an explanation. I told him, "I'll get up and dance when a black man, or a woman, or a gay person, is elected to that office - and no one notices. THAT's when we'll know that we may actually have moved past racism in this country."

                    (I think I told that story here before...)
                    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                      Actually - I meant pretty much what I said...

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        On this we agree. On the night Obama was elected, my boys and wife were dancing in the living room while I looked on. My youngest (9 at the time) asked me why I wasn't dancing. Both my boys are black, so I felt I owed him an explanation. I told him, "I'll get up and dance when a black man, or a woman, or a gay person, is elected to that office - and no one notices. THAT's when we'll know that we may actually have moved past racism in this country."

                        (I think I told that story here before...)
                        Yeah that didn't happen (bolded part). Which was MY point. The Democrats seem more interested in having "firsts" than just the most qualified. Which was what I was commenting on in the first place.

                        But seriously, do you think they would get behind Bloomberg? He started out as a democrat, then switched to the Republican party to run for mayor, then changed to independent and now says he wants to switch to democrat again? He seems to have no loyalty to any platform and just jumps on the first bandwagon that will let him get his way.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          Yeah that didn't happen (bolded part). Which was MY point. The Democrats seem more interested in having "firsts" than just the most qualified. Which was what I was commenting on in the first place.
                          I think you are confusing excitement at first for prioritizing "first" over qualifications. It is possible to have a first AND for them to be qualified.

                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          But seriously, do you think they would get behind Bloomberg?
                          Hard to tell.

                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          He started out as a democrat, then switched to the Republican party to run for mayor, then changed to independent and now says he wants to switch to democrat again? He seems to have no loyalty to any platform and just jumps on the first bandwagon that will let him get his way.
                          I don't see "loyalty to party" as a trait that is desirable in a candidate. I think loyalty to "ideals" is better. You may call it "getting his way," but I would call it "sticking to his guns." I don't agree with all of his "guns," but I admire his ability to say, "that party doesn't reflect my views/values anymore" and moving on. There are also things about his character I like.

                          Like I said, unless something were to come out during the campaign - based on what I know now - he'd have my vote.
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                            I think you are confusing excitement at first for prioritizing "first" over qualifications. It is possible to have a first AND for them to be qualified.



                            Hard to tell.



                            I don't see "loyalty to party" as a trait that is desirable in a candidate. I think loyalty to "ideals" is better. You may call it "getting his way," but I would call it "sticking to his guns." I don't agree with all of his "guns," but I admire his ability to say, "that party doesn't reflect my views/values anymore" and moving on. There are also things about his character I like.

                            Like I said, unless something were to come out during the campaign - based on what I know now - he'd have my vote.
                            except it seems that someone who keeps jumping parties doesn't stick to their guns. Each platform has very different goals and ideologies. This is one of the complaints the democrats had against Trump, saying he used to be a democrat and just became a Republican to run for office. In his case though it seems he really does support the Republican platform in the way he governs.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              except it seems that someone who keeps jumping parties doesn't stick to their guns.
                              ...unless the party has significantly changed. I think a case can be made that both parties have drifted more to extremes - left and right - than they were in the past. And the Reps have lined up behind a man like Trump, defending/ignoring/dismissing each new revelation. That erodes any claim they might have to being a party of "values" and "morals."

                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              Each platform has very different goals and ideologies. This is one of the complaints the democrats had against Trump, saying he used to be a democrat and just became a Republican to run for office. In his case though it seems he really does support the Republican platform in the way he governs.
                              He is kind of doing his own thing, and is pretty much all over the map. Reps are changing as a result, as they "follow his lead" in pretty much any direction he chooses. Example: tariffs are not exactly a Republican hallmark. Indeed, an import tariff is little more than a tax that U.S. citizens have to pay on goods coming from outside the country. He's definitely shifted the judiciary, which is a Rep priority. But it has never really been a Rep priority to be "protectionist" and "isolationist," yet he keeps hammering that drum and Reps line up and dance. And when was it EVER a Rep priority to cozy up to dictators and strongmen and alienate our international partners? But Trump is doing it - so Reps are lining up behind him.

                              It's amazing actually. I have six friends that have left the Republican party. Each of them is someone that, just 10 years ago, I would have said "they'll never leave that party." They were fans of Palin, for pity's sake. But Trump was a pill they just couldn't swallow. They are independents now. We still have spirited discussions, but none of us is affiliated with a political party anymore (I never was).
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                And the Reps have lined up behind a man like Trump...
                                If you think the Republican party has "lined up behind Trump" then you really can't have been paying attention. Otherwise Obamacare would be nothing but an unpleasant memory, and the wall would be well under way.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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