Bloomberg in 2020?

[carpedm9587]

I don't know why I missed this. Frankly, if Bloomberg runs in 2020, unless I learn something I don't already know about the man, I think my vote might be pretty well determined. Business experience. Political experience. No nonsense approach.

His stated positions on policing and the #MeToo movement may be an obstacle, and I have mixed feelings about the former and find his general comments about the latter somewhat innocuous (at least the ones I know about).

VERY interesting.

[Leonhard]

Yes, please do.

[seer]

I don't know why I missed this. Frankly, if Bloomberg runs in 2020, unless I learn something I don't already know about the man, I think my vote might be pretty well determined. Business experience. Political experience. No nonsense approach.

His stated positions on policing and the #MeToo movement may be an obstacle, and I have mixed feelings about the former and find his general comments about the latter somewhat innocuous (at least the ones I know about).

VERY interesting.

[Sparko]

If he DID run and win, we would have another rich businessman in office but this time he claims to be a democrat. But he stands for all of the same things the liberals claim Trump does: Corporations, banks, rich people, profits.

I am curious how this would effect the liberal socialists and antifa crowd? Would they simply disappear? or would the incongruity of it all cause them to implode or have a psychotic break?

[carpedm9587]

Pithy...

[carpedm9587]

If he DID run and win, we would have another rich businessman in office but this time he claims to be a democrat. But he stands for all of the same things the liberals claim Trump does: Corporations, banks, rich people, profits.

We would have a rich business man with significant political experience (more than many governors). I also tend to align with him fiscally since I lean more to the right on fiscal issues. He's also a pretty down-to-earth guy. IIRC, he's one of the few politicians in NYC who road to work on the metro regularly.

I am curious how this would effect the liberal socialists and antifa crowd? Would they simply disappear? or would the incongruity of it all cause them to implode or have a psychotic break?

He would have a hard time with the far left. But I have to wonder if he wouldn't attract a percentage of the voters currently voting from Trump because of the "business man outsider" issue, recognizing that they get that in Bloomberg, without the personality flaws and childishness.

[rogue06]

If he DID run and win, we would have another rich businessman in office but this time he claims to be a democrat. But he stands for all of the same things the liberals claim Trump does: Corporations, banks, rich people, profits.

I am curious how this would effect the liberal socialists and antifa crowd? Would they simply disappear? or would the incongruity of it all cause them to implode or have a psychotic break?

Sometime comedienne Janeane Garofalo pretty much typifies the mind set of that crowd. While vocally opposed to George W. Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan she was asked why the left was so silent and never staged huge demonstrations when Clinton launched attacks on Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan and the Sudan. She candidly admitted that it just "wasn't very hip" to protest Clinton, a fellow Democrat.

Garofalo has displayed this sort of hypocrisy frequently in the past. In 2009 she was an ardent critic of those protesting Obama saying that dissenters are "much larger in their head space than in a reasonable person and its pushing against the frontal lobe so their synapses are misfiring" whereas in 2003 when a Republican was in the White House she was all praise for those who dissented declaring that it "is the most patriot thing you can do and the First Amendment guarantees everyone's right to speak out" and declaring then it was those who opposed it who had something wrong with them ("it's very Archie Bunker, anti-intellectual, unfair way to treat dissent").

Expect the same sort of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

[Leonhard]

If he DID run and win, we would have another rich businessman in office but this time he claims to be a democrat. But he stands for all of the same things the liberals claim Trump does: Corporations, banks, rich people, profits.

I am curious how this would effect the liberal socialists and antifa crowd? Would they simply disappear? or would the incongruity of it all cause them to implode or have a psychotic break?

Oh he's running as a Democrat? Never mind then.

[seer]

He would have a hard time with the far left. But I have to wonder if he wouldn't attract a percentage of the voters currently voting from Trump because of the "business man outsider" issue, recognizing that they get that in Bloomberg, without the personality flaws and childishness.

He could never win the Democratic nomination.

[guacamole]

He could never win the Democratic nomination.

Already won executive office in New York, a fairly liberal location.

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In general, I'm against him as he is pretty anti-labor.

[seer]

Already won executive office in New York, a fairly liberal location.

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In general, I'm against him as he is pretty anti-labor.

He was also pretty good on crime, but he will not have a chance nationally, he is too far right.

[Mountain Man]

Already won executive office in New York, a fairly liberal location.

New York loves its businessmen. Trump was considered a hero there for decades until he ran for president.

Also, national politics is a completely different animal. The Democrat party has swung so far left these days that even a centrist leaning Democrat would have a tough time on the national level.

[carpedm9587]

Sometime comedienne Janeane Garofalo pretty much typifies the mind set of that crowd. While vocally opposed to George W. Bush's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan she was asked why the left was so silent and never staged huge demonstrations when Clinton launched attacks on Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan and the Sudan. She candidly admitted that it just "wasn't very hip" to protest Clinton, a fellow Democrat.

Garofalo has displayed this sort of hypocrisy frequently in the past. In 2009 she was an ardent critic of those protesting Obama saying that dissenters are "much larger in their head space than in a reasonable person and its pushing against the frontal lobe so their synapses are misfiring" whereas in 2003 when a Republican was in the White House she was all praise for those who dissented declaring that it "is the most patriot thing you can do and the First Amendment guarantees everyone's right to speak out" and declaring then it was those who opposed it who had something wrong with them ("it's very Archie Bunker, anti-intellectual, unfair way to treat dissent").

Expect the same sort of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

Posting one person's comments as if they are the "voice of the left" is more than a little disingenuous.

I objected to Bush's attacks because I had reason to believe that it was being done on the basis of false information and because of the cavalier way the entire thing was treated ("shock and awe" - flying in on fighter to proclaim "mission accomplished"). I did not object to Clinton's actions because (at the time) I was buried in personal issues and wasn't paying much attention to politics and world affairs (not an excuse - just an explanation - I SHOULD have been more informed and involved). I hindsight, there is more than a little reason to think that some of those choices made by Clinton were made to sidetrack domestic problems related to the Lewinsky affair (pun intended).

[carpedm9587]

He could never win the Democratic nomination.

And Trump could "never win" the Republican one...

[Sparko]

We would have a rich business man with significant political experience (more than many governors). I also tend to align with him fiscally since I lean more to the right on fiscal issues. He's also a pretty down-to-earth guy. IIRC, he's one of the few politicians in NYC who road to work on the metro regularly.



He would have a hard time with the far left. But I have to wonder if he wouldn't attract a percentage of the voters currently voting from Trump because of the "business man outsider" issue, recognizing that they get that in Bloomberg, without the personality flaws and childishness.

He would definitely get the more mainstream democrats on his side. The ones who are fed up with the "snowflakes, hippies and antifa" - but it could cause a greater divide among the centrist democrats and the extreme and socialism bent democrats.

He might even get conservative votes. I would be open to voting for him depending on what I learned about him. Right now all I know is that he is a businessman and was a mayor of NYC (but as a Republican)