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Why the Air Force Won't Buy the F-15X or 'New' F-22 Raptor

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    Why the Air Force Won't Buy the F-15X or 'New' F-22 Raptor



    The United States Air Force has no interest in purchasing either Boeing’s advanced fourth-generation F-15X version of the aging Eagle. Nor does the service have any plans to revive the stealthy fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor in either its original configuration or in a modified form with avionics from the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Instead the priority for the Air Force is to produce as many F-35s as it can to increase the proportion of fifth-generation fighters in its fleet while it continue to explore next-generation technologies for the future air superiority mission.

    "We are currently 80 percent fourth-gen aircraft and 20 percent fifth generation aircraft,” Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson told Defense News’ Valerie Insinna in a Sept. 5 interview. "In any of the fights that we have been asked to plan for, more fifth gen aircraft make a huge difference, and we think that getting to 50-50 means not buying new fourth gen aircraft, it means continuing to increase the fifth generation.”
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Why the Air Force Won't Buy the F-15X or 'New' F-22 Raptor



    The United States Air Force has no interest in purchasing either Boeing’s advanced fourth-generation F-15X version of the aging Eagle. Nor does the service have any plans to revive the stealthy fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor in either its original configuration or in a modified form with avionics from the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Instead the priority for the Air Force is to produce as many F-35s as it can to increase the proportion of fifth-generation fighters in its fleet while it continue to explore next-generation technologies for the future air superiority mission.

    "We are currently 80 percent fourth-gen aircraft and 20 percent fifth generation aircraft,” Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson told Defense News’ Valerie Insinna in a Sept. 5 interview. "In any of the fights that we have been asked to plan for, more fifth gen aircraft make a huge difference, and we think that getting to 50-50 means not buying new fourth gen aircraft, it means continuing to increase the fifth generation.”
    That would not explain why they don't want more F-22s, which would be better in an air superiority role AFAICT. The F-35 IS way over-budget, and the way to make that look better is to buy more of them.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      That would not explain why they don't want more F-22s, which would be better in an air superiority role AFAICT. The F-35 IS way over-budget, and the way to make that look better is to buy more of them.
      Yeah, I'm looking for more info on this.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Let's just ignore the fact that the F-35 is almost entirely unsuited for the role currently filled by the A-10 as well.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by kiwimac View Post
          Let's just ignore the fact that the F-35 is almost entirely unsuited for the role currently filled by the A-10 as well.
          At this point, I'm not sure what role it is satisfactorily suited for, other than "hard to see on radar."
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          • #6
            More here....

            The Mangled Myths Dogging the Joint Strike Fighter

            With the RAAF’s first two operational joint strike fighters arriving in early December, long-time critics have launched a fresh wave of claims that the aircraft is a disaster.

            Early in September, a writer in a major Australian newspaper declared that U.S. pilots had ‘finally forced into the open one of the greatest cover ups in the modern world: the disaster that is the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) or F-35’. This claim is maybe one of the most ironic of all myths about the JSF, given it’s one of the most openly reported and heavily scrutinised development projects in world history.

            The report went on to say, ‘America’s pilots could see that the JSF was no match for equivalent Russian and Chinese aircraft. Add to that bad management in the U.S. air force and the U.S. pilots have been leaving the USAF force [sic] in droves. Who wants to fly a death machine into battle?’

            The big problem with the resurrection of myths about JSF capability trouble is that they are wrong. Another problem with the regurgitation of earlier claims is that many issues aired earlier have been resolved over the course of the JSF’s development. So we are hearing old news dressed up as new insights.

            It’s worth saying something simple up front: the jets are operational with U.S. and Israeli forces. The Israelis have used them operationally this year.

            And the jets have proved very effective in the U.S. Red Flag exercise—the most rigorous air combat contest held in peacetime—which pits forces from the U.S. and allies such as Australia against teams trained to perform as the ‘enemy’ and equipped as much as possible to fight using the tactics of a potential adversary. F-35s achieved kill ratios of over 20 to 1. That’s an impressive empirical proof of capability and performance.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Denmark is getting F-35s. We need them. Our aging F-16 airfleet is no match for Russians who are currently flying their MIGs across our cities now and then to show off that they can.

              Its about as good a plane as we can get.

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              • #8
                US F-35 fighter jet poised for combat debut

                Washington (CNN)The US Marine Corps' stealth F-35B Lightning fighter jet could fly its first combat mission within days, according to several US defense officials, who told CNN that the fifth-generation aircraft are currently aboard the USS Essex amphibious assault ship and should soon be in a position to conduct airstrikes over Afghanistan.
                The USS Essex has already sailed from the Gulf of Aden into the North Arabian Sea and is expected to move into the Persian Gulf in coming days, one official said.

                F-35 pilots have been conducting intelligence and surveillance missions in Somalia while on standby to conduct air support for US troops on the ground there if needed.
                While available for support, the advanced fighter jet was not used in an airstrike over Somalia on Saturday that killed 18 militants after US and local forces came under attack.

                In May, Israel Defense Forces said they were using their version of the F-35 in operational missions, striking at least two unspecified targets in the region.

                That announcement marked the first time that the F-35 had been used in an actual combat situation -- a significant moment given the program's checkered past.

                The F-35 fighter jet is touted as the future of military aviation; a lethal and versatile aircraft that combines stealth capabilities, supersonic speed, extreme agility and state-of-the-art sensor fusion technology, according to Lockheed Martin, the plane's primary contractor.

                The F-35B is one of three variants of the F-35 aircraft and the only one with the ability to land vertically like a helicopter. It can also takeoff in a much shorter space than other fighter jets, which is why it can operate off the Essex, a warship only half the size of the 100,000-ton aircraft carriers in the US fleet.
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                • #9
                  I believe the next generation of fighters and bombers will be unmanned drones capable of greater speeds and maneuverability than manned aircraft. Technically they are all obsolete already.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                    I believe the next generation of fighters and bombers will be unmanned drones capable of greater speeds and maneuverability than manned aircraft. Technically they are all obsolete already.
                    Yeah, the public would have to get over the fear factor of one of those babies being hacked or hi-jacked.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Yeah, the public would have to get over the fear factor of one of those babies being hacked or hi-jacked.
                      The technology is going this way anyway. Technology race does not end. It is possible now and in the future anything is possibly hijacked. It is possible for these advanced aircraft, modern airliners and other modern aircraft to be hacked, but in terms of military craft, unlikely.
                      Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-25-2018, 10:06 PM.
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                      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                      go with the flow the river knows . . .

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                        The technology is going this way anyway. Technology race does not end. It is possible now and in the future anything is possibly hijacked. It is possible for these advanced aircraft, modern airliners and other modern aircraft to be hacked, but in terms of military craft, unlikely.
                        We are not in disagreement.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          And then Skynet.

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                          • #14
                            F-35B crashes near Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, South Carolina



                            An F-35B has crashed in South Carolina near the Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, military officials have confirmed.

                            The pilot safely ejected from the aircraft and is currently being looked at by medical personnel, Capt. Christopher Harrison, a Marine spokesman, said in a command release.

                            The aircraft belonged to 2nd Marine Aircraft Wing, Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, known as the “Warlords.”

                            “Marines from MCAS Beaufort are working with local authorities currently conducting standard mishap operations to secure the crash site and ensure the safety of all personnel in the surrounding area,” Harrison said.

                            The Corps said there were no civilian injuries as a result of the crash.

                            Friday’s crash occurred just one day after the Corps' F-35B flew its first combat mission: a ground clearance airstrike in Afghanistan.

                            According to Defense News, the Marine air base at Beaufort, South Carolina, has been training new pilots for the high-tech stealth fighter, but has faced complications over spare parts and the jet’s logistics system.

                            Some of the F-35s sit for extended periods of time waiting for spare parts ordered through the Autonomic Logistics Information System. Sometimes the ALIS projects delivery of expected spare parts as far as two years out, Defense News has reported.

                            Just 82 miles southwest of the Beaufort airbase is the Townsend Bombing Range in Georgia, which is currently undergoing an expansion and modernization so that F-35B pilots can train with precision-guided munitions.

                            In April, a Marine F-35B was forced to make an emergency landing at Cherry Point, North Carolina, after the aircraft began leaking fuel.

                            The cause of Friday’s F-35B crash is under investigation.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              One thing I don't like about the F-35 is the US refuses to share the source code for its systems. This is particularly problematic for countries that are purchasing it. Threatening their sovereignity. To compensate the US is providing 'upgrade facilities' in Florida to do customization of the software, but it refuses to let the source code be shared.

                              This refusal extended even to Israel who had offered to buy an additional 75 F-35 fighters as part of a technology transfer like that.

                              I think the decision stinks. It smells a lot like there being secret backdoors and killswitches built into the planes.

                              https://www.reuters.com/article/us-l...5AO01F20091125

                              Correction is appears that Israil has gotten some limited ability to do their own repairs and modifications.

                              https://www.wired.com/2016/05/israel...-35-least-now/
                              Last edited by Leonhard; 10-12-2018, 02:06 AM.

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