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Why the Air Force Won't Buy the F-15X or 'New' F-22 Raptor

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  • #31
    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    This is a very pertinent point. The US government doesn't actually own the data rights; the corporations building the jets do. As long as they control the software, they can charge big bucks for maintenance contracts.
    Pretty much.

    It is a good plane though. At least it is now that all the chinks have been worked out.

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    • #32
      Somebody's gonna need a new plane or two!

      Belgian air force mechanic opens fire by mistake, blows up another F-16

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      A mechanic with the Belgian air force was servicing an aircraft when he accidentally opened fire on another F-16 jet fighter sitting on the tarmac, destroying it, local media reported this week.

      The incident occurred on Belgium’s Florennes air force base Thursday, according to multiple media reports.

      Scramble, a Dutch aviation magazine, posted pictures of what appears to be the burned out aircraft Friday. The Belgian air force confirmed the aircraft was burned to a husk, but did not confirm how the fire was started.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #33
        Doh!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Somebody's gonna need a new plane or two!

          Belgian air force mechanic opens fire by mistake, blows up another F-16

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          A mechanic with the Belgian air force was servicing an aircraft when he accidentally opened fire on another F-16 jet fighter sitting on the tarmac, destroying it, local media reported this week.

          The incident occurred on Belgium’s Florennes air force base Thursday, according to multiple media reports.

          Scramble, a Dutch aviation magazine, posted pictures of what appears to be the burned out aircraft Friday. The Belgian air force confirmed the aircraft was burned to a husk, but did not confirm how the fire was started.
          I want to see the gun firing plane with a small F-16 silhouette "kill" painted beneath the cockpit.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
            Doh!
            A friend of mine was a fighter pilot stationed in Adana Turkey (Incirlik Air Base) back in the 80's. Their outfit was training Turkish fighter pilots, who just couldn't get the hang of runway safety.

            One of the Turkish pilots was doing his final turn at the end of the runway, and somehow, on lining up to take off, managed to fire a sidewinder missile, narrowly missing the ATC tower, and taking out two fully fueled and armed (but thankfully unmanned) F-16 fighter jets.

            The Turkish pilot was only 3 or 4 weeks from graduation.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
              I want to see the gun firing plane with a small F-16 silhouette "kill" painted beneath the cockpit.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                A friend of mine was a fighter pilot stationed in Adana Turkey (Incirlik Air Base) back in the 80's. Their outfit was training Turkish fighter pilots, who just couldn't get the hang of runway safety.

                One of the Turkish pilots was doing his final turn at the end of the runway, and somehow, on lining up to take off, managed to fire a sidewinder missile, narrowly missing the ATC tower, and taking out two fully fueled and armed (but thankfully unmanned) F-16 fighter jets.

                The Turkish pilot was only 3 or 4 weeks from graduation.
                Was it a monday? Yikes.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
                  I want to see the gun firing plane with a small F-16 silhouette "kill" painted beneath the cockpit.
                  Meh. Ain't nothin' compared to the USS Forrestal fire - one missile nearly took out an entire carrier.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Meh. Ain't nothin' compared to the USS Forrestal fire - one missile nearly took out an entire carrier.
                    For which McCain was often wrongly accused.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #40
                      fuel...check....canopy...check...vulcan cannon....CHECK!


                      Reading some comments on the story there are various safety mechanisms in place, like a wheel weight lockout, that should keep the cannon from firing on the ground, not to mention they should have unloaded the ammo. this might not have been an accident.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        fuel...check....canopy...check...vulcan cannon....CHECK!


                        Reading some comments on the story there are various safety mechanisms in place, like a wheel weight lockout, that should keep the cannon from firing on the ground, not to mention they should have unloaded the ammo. this might not have been an accident.
                        In the case I mentioned in Turkey, it was suspected it was NOT an accident - the Turkish pilot who "accidentally" fired the missile was in danger of not graduating due to insubordination to his American trainer. One of the jets that was destroyed was said trainer's jet.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #42
                          F-35's Most Sinister Capability


                          F-35's Most Sinister Capability Are Towed Decoys That Unreel From Inside Its Stealthy Skin

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                          One of the least talked about, but most potent capabilities that can enhance the survivability of a combat aircraft these days is the ability to deploy towed decoys. Often referred to as "little buddies" by the crews that bet their lives on them, they have existed in miniature form for over two decades on aircraft like the F-16C/D, B-1B, and F/A-18E/F, as well as foreign fighter aircraft. But most wouldn't think such a system would be included in a 5th generation fighter that was designed from the ground up to evade enemy radars. This isn't the case. Although it isn't something touted by the manufacturer or its operators, the F-35 has this capability concealed beneath its curvaceous and stealthy skin.

                          First off, you are probably thinking that the inclusion of such a system in the F-35's design is a sign of weakness in its stealth capabilities. Maybe it could be framed in such a manner, but doing so really doesn't do the topic justice and it wouldn't be fair to the F-35 either.

                          Stealth fighters, as we know them today, are not highly optimized to evade a broad range of radar types. Instead, they are optimized to give fire control radars used to actually engage targets, as well as detect them in many cases, a very tough time. The classic appendages of a fighter aircraft—nose, tail surfaces, exhaust nozzles, and even wings—do not lend themselves to broadband radio frequency low-observability, but they are conducive to maneuverability and speed. So, while aircraft like the F-35 are effective at hiding from the most threatening radar types, and especially when viewed by those sensors from certain aspects, with the frontal-hemisphere profile being most optimized, they are less adept from doing the same when it comes to radars operating at lower frequencies or when viewed from rearward angles.

                          The fusion of information from many types of sensors' dispersed over a wide area that make up an integrated air defense system also degrades a stealthy aircraft's ability to remain undetected, although it is key to remember that detection does not equal the ability to engage with weapons that rely on higher-quality and persistent telemetry. So even though a stealthy aircraft may be detected momentarily or even fairly persistently, that does not mean it can be engaged by surface-to-air or air-to-air missiles. The lack of broadband low observability, like that provided by stealthy subsonic flying-wing designs that have minimal smaller appendages and features, also puts a stealthy fighter at greater risk.

                          No aircraft, not even one that is designed with broadband low-observability as the goal above all else, is totally invisible to radar and other sensors. Stealth means a reduced probability of detection and engagement, not invincibility. Careful route planning and high situational awareness of threats in an aircraft's vicinity are also essential to the survivability of stealthy aircraft, with the goal being to only provide the most unfavorable (detectable) aspects of the aircraft to a threatening enemy's sensor view for the least amount of time.....
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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