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  • #31
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    How true.

    It's just that I have a feeling that one would become a Mormon and the other a Jehovah's Witness and they'd still keep telling us how we got everything wrong
    Had some JWs come to my door this morning. I was somewhat surprised that they backed down and moved on once it was clear I was a Christian; I politely declined their magazine.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      Had some JWs come to my door this morning. I was somewhat surprised that they backed down and moved on once it was clear I was a Christian; I politely declined their magazine.
      I always talk to JWs as long as they will put up with me. That is largely because my folks were JW.
      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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      • #33
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        Jim you are doing no more than asserting. You said: The underlying reason that makes a good, good, or a bad, bad, is the effect it has on people living together in community.
        Community values historically guide interpretation of the Bible.

        Why is that the case apart from your say so?
        For the same reason that prior beliefs, presuppositions, worldviews, and the like shape your biblical interpretation.
        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          Jim you are doing no more than asserting. You said: The underlying reason that makes a good, good, or a bad, bad, is the effect it has on people living together in community.

          Why is that the case apart from your say so?
          The effect that morals have on the human community seer. Morals have an effect on their subject, and thus the effect is objective. You don't have to decide that the effect of being murdered is not in your best interests, it just isn't. With respect to a god morals would just be arbitrary and meaningless.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by JimL View Post
            The effect that morals have on the human community seer. Morals have an effect on their subject, and thus the effect is objective. You don't have to decide that the effect of being murdered is not in your best interests, it just isn't. With respect to a god morals would just be arbitrary and meaningless.
            Of course murder is not in my best interest, that is my say so. It may however be in the murderers best interest if it helps him further his self interest. And God ethics would be no more arbitrary than yours, even less so.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
              I always talk to JWs as long as they will put up with me. That is largely because my folks were JW.
              I've always enjoyed talking to JWs - but I haven't had any contact with any in.... gee, probably the last 10 or 15 years. Maybe they don't love me anymore.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                Of course murder is not in my best interest, that is my say so. It may however be in the murderers best interest if it helps him further his self interest. And God ethics would be no more arbitrary than yours, even less so.
                If you understand that, then you should understand as well that it is in the furtherance of that interests of yours, i.e. your not being murdered or robbed, that we create morals which best serve those interests, not only for you, but for the whole community.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  I've always enjoyed talking to JWs - but I haven't had any contact with any in.... gee, probably the last 10 or 15 years. Maybe they don't love me anymore.
                  They tend to walk past by condo without even stopping. I think I'm on a black list

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    They tend to walk past by condo without even stopping. I think I'm on a black list
                    They seem to be in serious decline - the local JW "hall" has just a few cars for services lately.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by JimL View Post
                      If you understand that, then you should understand as well that it is in the furtherance of that interests of yours, i.e. your not being murdered or robbed, that we create morals which best serve those interests, not only for you, but for the whole community.
                      But what if I have the power to take what you have and prevent you from retaliating? You know like leftist do, or dictators.
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
                        Oh, OK. My mistake. Since this is an apologetics forum, I thought maybe it was supposed to prove something to people who didn't already believe. But, it's just you believers congratulating yourselves. Carry on.
                        nope. I just couldn't think of a better forum. I thought civics might work but it is more about religion than politics.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          Community values historically guide interpretation of the Bible.



                          For the same reason that prior beliefs, presuppositions, worldviews, and the like shape your biblical interpretation.
                          Why do you always answer for direct questions to JimL? Are you afraid he can't handle them himself? Or are you like some sort of sockpuppet and can't remember which account you are posting from?

                          your idea of morality is not the same as jiml, so your answer does not answer the question to jiml.

                          Having said that, can you guys all take the morality stuff out of this thread and back in the other thread where it belongs?

                          Seer? JimL?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                            Having said that, can you guys all take the morality stuff out of this thread and back in the other thread where it belongs?

                            Seer? JimL?
                            ok...
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              nope. I just couldn't think of a better forum.
                              One old atheist becomes a Christian, and that's supposed to convince other atheists that God is good?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
                                One old atheist becomes a Christian, and that's supposed to convince other atheists that God is good?
                                It reinforces their Christian faith and validates their belief in God, it's of little interest to other atheists.
                                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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