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This forum is open discussion between atheists and all theists to defend and debate their views on religion or non-religion. Please respect that this is a Christian-owned forum and refrain from gratuitous blasphemy. VERY wide leeway is given in range of expression and allowable behavior as compared to other areas of the forum, and moderation is not overly involved unless necessary. Please keep this in mind. Atheists who wish to interact with theists in a way that does not seek to undermine theistic faith may participate in the World Religions Department. Non-debate question and answers and mild and less confrontational discussions can take place in General Theistics.
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostHad some JWs come to my door this morning. I was somewhat surprised that they backed down and moved on once it was clear I was a Christian; I politely declined their magazine.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim you are doing no more than asserting. You said: The underlying reason that makes a good, good, or a bad, bad, is the effect it has on people living together in community.
Why is that the case apart from your say so?He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim you are doing no more than asserting. You said: The underlying reason that makes a good, good, or a bad, bad, is the effect it has on people living together in community.
Why is that the case apart from your say so?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe effect that morals have on the human community seer. Morals have an effect on their subject, and thus the effect is objective. You don't have to decide that the effect of being murdered is not in your best interests, it just isn't. With respect to a god morals would just be arbitrary and meaningless.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostI always talk to JWs as long as they will put up with me. That is largely because my folks were JW.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf course murder is not in my best interest, that is my say so. It may however be in the murderers best interest if it helps him further his self interest. And God ethics would be no more arbitrary than yours, even less so.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI've always enjoyed talking to JWs - but I haven't had any contact with any in.... gee, probably the last 10 or 15 years. Maybe they don't love me anymore.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThey tend to walk past by condo without even stopping. I think I'm on a black listThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIf you understand that, then you should understand as well that it is in the furtherance of that interests of yours, i.e. your not being murdered or robbed, that we create morals which best serve those interests, not only for you, but for the whole community.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostOh, OK. My mistake. Since this is an apologetics forum, I thought maybe it was supposed to prove something to people who didn't already believe. But, it's just you believers congratulating yourselves. Carry on.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostCommunity values historically guide interpretation of the Bible.
For the same reason that prior beliefs, presuppositions, worldviews, and the like shape your biblical interpretation.
your idea of morality is not the same as jiml, so your answer does not answer the question to jiml.
Having said that, can you guys all take the morality stuff out of this thread and back in the other thread where it belongs?
Seer? JimL?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Having said that, can you guys all take the morality stuff out of this thread and back in the other thread where it belongs?
Seer? JimL?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostOne old atheist becomes a Christian, and that's supposed to convince other atheists that God is good?He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. - Douglas Adams.
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