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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI can't help but notice that you haven't provided any actual evidence for the claim Rick Perry didn't know what the Department of Energy did. As I noted, the original source for that claim didn't provide actual basis for it, as the quote given by McKenna was (1) stated to be taken out of context by McKenna, and (2) didn't back up the claim Rick Perry didn't know what the Department of Energy did anyway. So therefore the reporter's apparent source is knowing what Rick Perry was thinking, meaning they're a magical mind reader. Unless you're going to argue that ESP exists--and, for that matter, that after more than a decade of being governor of Texas, Rick Perry was somehow unaware that the Department of Energy managed nuclear weapons when their primary facility for doing so is in Texas--you don't really have anything to back you up on this.
"When President-elect Donald J. Trump offered Rick Perry the job of energy secretary five weeks ago, Mr. Perry gladly accepted, believing he was taking on a role as a global ambassador for the American oil and gas industry that he had long championed in his home state.
In the days after, Mr. Perry, the former Texas governor, discovered that he would be no such thing "
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/u...ald-trump.html
Trump can sure pick 'em.Last edited by Tassman; 10-19-2018, 12:50 AM.He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it. - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI can't help but notice that you haven't provided any actual evidence for the claim Rick Perry didn't know what the Department of Energy did. As I noted, the original source for that claim didn't provide actual basis for it, as the quote given by McKenna was (1) stated to be taken out of context by McKenna, and (2) didn't back up the claim Rick Perry didn't know what the Department of Energy did anyway. So therefore the reporter's apparent source is knowing what Rick Perry was thinking, meaning they're a magical mind reader. Unless you're going to argue that ESP exists--and, for that matter, that after more than a decade of being governor of Texas, Rick Perry was somehow unaware that the Department of Energy managed nuclear weapons when their primary facility for doing so is in Texas--you don't really have anything to back you up on this.
My past statement about abolishing the DOE do not reflect my current thinking. In fact "after being briefed" on so many of the vital functions of the Dept. of Energy, I regret recommending its elimination.
In other words, he was calling for the elimination of a Dept for which he, self admittedly, had no clue.Last edited by JimL; 10-19-2018, 10:52 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPerry's apology after being named to the post.
My past statement about abolishing the DOE do not reflect my current thinking. In fact "after being briefed" on so many of the vital functions of the Dept. of Energy, I regret recommending its elimination.
In other words, he was calling for the elimination of a Dept for which he, self admittedly, had no clue.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThere's a positive side to this: he's proven himself to be capable of learning and changing his mind based on further evidence. Perhaps he's not the irredeemably stupid ideologue you've made him out to be.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThere's a positive side to this: he's proven himself to be capable of learning and changing his mind based on further evidence. Perhaps he's not the irredeemably stupid ideologue you've made him out to be.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSix years ago, Rick Perry could not remember the name of the federal agency he wanted to scrap. it made headlines.
It turns out that Rick Perry wanted to abolish an agency he didn't even understand. Now he gets to run it. Brilliant!
"When President-elect Donald J. Trump offered Rick Perry the job of energy secretary five weeks ago, Mr. Perry gladly accepted, believing he was taking on a role as a global ambassador for the American oil and gas industry that he had long championed in his home state.
In the days after, Mr. Perry, the former Texas governor, discovered that he would be no such thing "
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/u...ald-trump.html
Trump can sure pick 'em.
Originally posted by JimL View PostPerry's apology after being named to the post.
My past statement about abolishing the DOE do not reflect my current thinking. In fact "after being briefed" on so many of the vital functions of the Dept. of Energy, I regret recommending its elimination.
In other words, he was calling for the elimination of a Dept for which he, self admittedly, had no clue.
(it's 29 minutes in)
Specifically, this part of the discussion:
Greg Dalton: "You served in the Air Force and probably know a big part of the Department of Energy is national security."
Rick Perry: "Yep."
This occurred several years before his nomination. So clearly he wasn't under the impression the Department of Energy was solely about energy before he was offered the position.Last edited by Terraceth; 10-19-2018, 10:53 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt's not a matter of changing his mind, dopey. The point was that he wanted to do away with the Dept. of Energy without having a clue about what the Dept. did in the first place. He's also taking the place of a nuclear phycisist when his own degree is in Animal Science. So now he may understand what the Dept. of energy is responsible for, but he still has no clue, no experience in the field. I'll bet he's loyal to Trump though, and we all know that's all that counts.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostI'm not sure how appealing to a source after I repeatedly explained why said source wasn't reliable is supposed to mean anything.
I'm not here to try to defend whether his idea was a good one or not or say he didn't flip-flop on his overall opinion of the Department of Energy. What I'm doing is pointing out that the claim he somehow didn't know what the Department of Energy did is clearly false. The quote you pulled up at most indicates that he might not have been aware of some of the very specific aspects (e.g. I can know know the Department of Energy manages nuclear weapons without knowing all the minutiae of how they do it), but not that he was under the impression it only involved energy (which was the claim made). Heck, that claim is pretty clearly debunked by this video:
(it's 29 minutes in)
Specifically, this part of the discussion:
Greg Dalton: "You served in the Air Force and probably know a big part of the Department of Energy is national security."
Rick Perry: "Yep."
This occurred several years before his nomination. So clearly he wasn't under the impression the Department of Energy was solely about energy before he was offered the position.Last edited by JimL; 10-20-2018, 07:57 AM.
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