Deep State

[guacamole]

That they found any is troubling to me.

You're bound to find bad actors in large organizations.

[guacamole]

Assuming facts not in evidence.

This is well established history at this point. I'm not listing things for you. Start with Arpaio and the lawsuits that were leveled against him, and the ultimate finding of being in contempt. Or don't. Not going to change history.

[Sparko]

You're bound to find bad actors in large organizations.

So you are saying the deep state is real and everywhere?

[guacamole]

So you are saying the deep state is real and everywhere?

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that, not only are you part of the deep state, you are simultaneously it's mascot and party planner.

[One Bad Pig]

Are you arguing that the three on the videos were in acting in concert with Strzok, Page, et. al.? To do what now? Actively resist Trump by extending people's food stamps and sending emails on their own time? I get it that there were some senior officials who were resisting/sabotaging Trump. I imagine that there were senior officials sabotaging Obama and flaunting the law, too. That was why I cited Arpaio, for example. During George W. Bush's tenure, there were intelligence officials who spoke off the record and leaked information regarding the administration. I imagine if we were to go back through each presidential administration, we'd find malcontents, uh...rogue elements, if you will, who do not support the administration and who actively seek to thwart administration goals.

I am genuinely confused as to why people think Trump is special in this regard, other than to rally people to his defense.

You seem to be grasping at straws, here. Arpaio is a wholly inapt comparison, and the only evidence you can cite (as opposed to pure speculation) just happens to have been under another Republican administration. Go on, keep making our points for us.

[shunyadragon]

A good number? Three does not a "deep state" make. And like I said, I'd like another source other than Project Veritas dredging up people who give extensions on food stamps or who send email during their personal times.

What is from the evidence is disgruntled fearful professionals deal and trying to constrain an incompetent, impulsive, arrogant, dictatorial, dishonest mentally unstable liar as President. They are all conservative Republicans.

'Deep State' conspiracy? A good plot for X-Files.

[guacamole]

You seem to be grasping at straws, here. Arpaio is a wholly inapt comparison, and the only evidence you can cite (as opposed to pure speculation) just happens to have been under another Republican administration. Go on, keep making our points for us.

Why do you think that Arpaio was an inapt comparison?

Additionally, are you talking specifically about administrations specifically fighting leaks?

[Sparko]

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that, not only are you part of the deep state, you are simultaneously it's mascot and party planner.

How come I don't know about it? Am I a sleeper agent who had his mind wiped? oh no.

[Sparko]

for the record. I don't think there is any sort of coordinated Deep State conspiracy in the government. This isn't the Xfiles. But I think there are a lot of liberal sabotagers (is that even a word?) who hate Trump and will (MIS)use their positions to fight against him. There are some "groups" involved and some linking up of individuals, but not one big giant secret Deep State Cabal.

[One Bad Pig]

for the record. I don't think there is any sort of coordinated Deep State conspiracy in the government. This isn't the Xfiles. But I think there are a lot of liberal sabotagers (is that even a word?) who hate Trump and will (MIS)use their positions to fight against him. There are some "groups" involved and some linking up of individuals, but not one big giant secret Deep State Cabal.

Pretty much.

Guac, Arpaio is inapt because his was open rebellion, which the "deep state" is pretty much by definition hidden.

[NorrinRadd]

... sabotagers (is that even a word?) ...

It should be. We don't need silly constructions like "saboteurs" goobering up good ol' Americanese.

[Sparko]

It should be. We don't need silly constructions like "saboteurs" goobering up good ol' Americanese.

Yeah! dang Frenchies! Always trying to stick words into our language! With them thar extra vowels and such.

[rogue06]

Pretty much.

Guac, Arpaio is inapt because his was open rebellion, which the "deep state" is pretty much by definition hidden.

Arpaio was merely a county sheriff as compared to folks like a Deputy Director of the FBI and a Deputy Attorney General (who, IIRC, was in effect, like Sally Yates was, essentially acting Attorney General for awhile) And speaking of Yates, I would not include her in the Deep State as she was openly rebelling (though she could be considered part of the Resist Movement)

[Tassman]

for the record. I don't think there is any sort of coordinated Deep State conspiracy in the government. This isn't the Xfiles. But I think there are a lot of liberal sabotagers (is that even a word?) who hate Trump and will (MIS)use their positions to fight against him. There are some "groups" involved and some linking up of individuals, but not one big giant secret Deep State Cabal.

All the evidence from WH leaks and books such as Woodward’s on the Trump WH, indicate that the “saboteurs” are not liberals who “hate Trump”, but Trump’s own staff and personal appointments to the FBI etc trying to protect the country (and ultimately the free world) from an incompetent, impulsive, (“deranged” is the word sometimes used) president.

[Cow Poke]

All the evidence....

In other words, "everything I see, in my own ignorant twisted and biased way....."