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Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostActually Darwin predicted that there would be periods of stasis since organisms will evolve at different rates pretty much from the get go.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostPlease note that the book observed that by the present evidence at the time there were gaps that indicated stasis, and not the conclusion, and not the conclusion that stasis was not the fact.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostThe conclusion was stasis, and this conclusion still stands!
You need to more completely cite your source (which source?) and what is Riley's view of evolution.
Blessings,
Lee
In a previous thread you argued for evolution must always change. No stasis.
This thread is about bird evolution, and the evolution is documented continuous over millions of years in the Cretaceous and after without apparent stasis.
The longest period of stasis is likely the set of twenty amino acids. If there is no evolutionary pressure nor need to change, there will be no change throughout the history of evolution.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-02-2019, 07:43 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostBut change when it happens in evolution needs to be gradual, that is why punctuated equilibrium is a departure from classical Darwinism.
Blessings,
Lee
From a post I made on the pre-crash Tweb concerning Punctuated Equilibrium and Gradualism:
There are still papers being published on fossil data that shows that gradualistic evolutionary change is still recognized as completely legitimate: Gradual evolution in bacteria: evidence from Bacillus systematic and here is an earlier one: Parallel gradualistic evolution of Ordovician trilobites. And perhaps you might want to read this as well:
In fact, Eldredge and Gould went out of their way to repeatedly point out that “Punk Eek” in no way supplanted gradualism but worked alongside of it as Donald Prothero notes in a review of the subject:
So the observations actually reveal that both take place. It isn't an either-or situation but rather a complementary one. So as Prothero notes, Eldredge and Gould were aware of examples of both gradualism and PE, and like everyone else, wondered "which pattern is dominant." ... The only question that remains is which process is the dominant one.
I should also note that due to the incompleteness of the fossil record something that might appear to have changed rather suddenly may indeed have evolved graduallyLast edited by rogue06; 03-03-2019, 02:20 AM.
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Originally posted by JohnHermes View PostMore like a "sudden" discovery then a sudden species popping up. The word play certainly can be confusing. Birds and fish.
When the curtain is removed from the side show it is not confusing at all.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-03-2019, 07:34 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFrom a post I made on the pre-crash Tweb concerning Punctuated Equilibrium and Gradualism...
I should also note that due to the incompleteness of the fossil record something that might appear to have changed rather suddenly may indeed have evolved gradually
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostCertainly, though in the case of the Cambrian explosion, the fossil record should show some intermediates--only it doesn't.
Show us that this isn't another case of you claiming that no evidence exists despite knowing sod all about the subject.
Otherwise it's not that there are no intermediates, it's only that you don't know of any intermediates.Last edited by Roy; 03-04-2019, 05:20 AM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostWell, I'm not sure that examining DNA is the way to find out whether changes were sudden or gradual! It would be helpful to know what their methodology was.Last edited by Roy; 03-04-2019, 05:56 AM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Like the example given of the coelecanth the surviving species was one of many closely related species coelecanth that lives in a very deep water protected environment for which it survived the catastrophic events that killed off many species including the shallow sea and river species related to the coelecanth found in the fossils. This was a long term stable environment that the coelecanth was best suited and there was no pressure, competition, nor change in environment.
Evolution is based on survival of the best suited and adapted to the environment. The set of 20 amino acids remained the foundation of RNA and DNA, because it was the best suited and adapted to the requirements of independent energy transfer and utilization in life, and remains the best suited from the first microorganisms in the oxygen-phosphorous- iron environment to the present. Like the coelecanth it was best adapted, and persisted without change. In the case of the set of 20 amino acids no other basic combination could compete and therefore did not survive. Nonetheless the basic set of amino acids has evolved to add more amino acids.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostWell, I'm not sure that examining DNA is the way to find out whether changes were sudden or gradual! It would be helpful to know what their methodology was.
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Certainly, though in the case of the Cambrian explosion, the fossil record should show some intermediates--only it doesn't.
Blessings,
Lee
As with the history of your threads and posts you consistent fail to do your own homework, research, nor actually read the references, because of an 'Intelligent Design' religious agenda. You also over your history repeat repeatedly tired old layman arguments without legitimate scientific references, not background.Last edited by shunyadragon; 03-04-2019, 09:26 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostIntermediates between what? Where should they be found?
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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