Gosnell: The Trial of America's Biggest Serial Killer (2018)

[firstfloor]

For example, legalizing abortion.

Human beings treat other human beings and animals so badly that no amount of belly-aching about a relatively trivial detail like abortion is going to wash away their sins. Pro-birthers use abortion to advertise their piety. It is a woman-hating soft target for them. They don’t have a better argument, so they tell lies; the biggest lie of all being that personhood begins at conception. The whole pro-birth movement is nasty and because it is littered with falsehoods it will not do any good. But the cost of their pious nastiness and irrationality, if abortion is banned or resources taken away, will be borne by poor women – the lives they don’t care about. Rich women and their pious pro-life husbands will go on abortion cruises.

[Sparko]

No. Bad or immoral laws are sometimes passed and enforced.

Like legalizing abortion.

[lilpixieofterror]

Human beings treat other human beings and animals so badly that no amount of belly-aching about a relatively trivial detail like abortion is going to wash away their sins. Pro-birthers use abortion to advertise their piety. It is a woman-hating soft target for them. They don’t have a better argument, so they tell lies; the biggest lie of all being that personhood begins at conception. The whole pro-birth movement is nasty and because it is littered with falsehoods it will not do any good. But the cost of their pious nastiness and irrationality, if abortion is banned or resources taken away, will be borne by poor women – the lives they don’t care about. Rich women and their pious pro-life husbands will go on abortion cruises.

More unbacked assertions.

[Mountain Man]

...the biggest lie of all being that personhood begins at conception.

"Personhood" is a moving target that can be defined however any person wishes, which is why I never use that term in my arguments.

What I do say is that human life begins at conception, and that this is an undeniable scientific fact.

Source: American College of Pediatricians

The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature.

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-s...an-life-begins

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Furthermore, this human life is innocent having committed no moral or legal wrongs.

Therefore, abortion is the deliberate killing of an innocent human life.

Q.E.D.

[Cow Poke]

...Pro-birthers use abortion to advertise their piety. It is a woman-hating soft target for them....

How did you get so screwed-up in the head, FF? I mean -- you're just trolling, right? You CAN'T be this stupid and still type.

[One Bad Pig]

How did you get so screwed-up in the head, FF? I mean -- you're just trolling, right? You CAN'T be this stupid and still type.

Obvious trolling is obvious.

[JonathanL]

How did you get so screwed-up in the head, FF? I mean -- you're just trolling, right? You CAN'T be this stupid and still type.

Of course he is trolling. I should know, I was the first person (or among the first) who called him out on it during the pre-Crash™ era.

[Cow Poke]

Not really a date night movie!

FF, this is a deadly serious issue, and I don't see it as a joke.

As thread owner, I'm officially asking you to take your trolling elsewhere, and leave the thread.

You are entitled to one reply to acknowledge this request.

[firstfloor]

FF, this is a deadly serious issue, and I don't see it as a joke.

As thread owner, I'm officially asking you to take your trolling elsewhere, and leave the thread.

You are entitled to one reply to acknowledge this request.

In that case I offer a couple of final thoughts:
Unless you are unusually isolated, you know this is a very controversial subject and therefore you should expect fireworks in a thread like this. The fact that it is so controversial tells you that there must be compelling arguments on both sides and people are fully engaged with the struggle. I take it very seriously. If you cannot abide listening to the opposite point of view, this topic is not for you.

[NorrinRadd]

I have only skimmed the thread, so I don't know that anyone has addressed this pragmatic issue:

I'm not a huge movie-goer, but I have several friends who want to see this one. Currently, it does not seem to be showing anywhere within 40 miles or more.

[Mountain Man]

I have only skimmed the thread, so I don't know that anyone has addressed this pragmatic issue:

I'm not a huge movie-goer, but I have several friends who want to see this one. Currently, it does not seem to be showing anywhere within 40 miles or more.

I don't expect it to be anything but a very limited release. Even if it didn't butcher one of liberalism's most sacred cows, it's not exactly a subject that's going to attract a wide audience.

[rogue06]

I don't expect it to be anything but a very limited release. Even if it didn't butcher one of liberalism's most sacred cows, it's not exactly a subject that's going to attract a wide audience.

Documentry movies rarely do but it should be interesting how it does in comparison to Moore's big flop "Fahrenheit 11/9" in spite of all the media build up and hype and support from the Hollyweird celebutards.

[KingsGambit]

It's available at several theaters in the Kansas City area. I actually want to see this, not having been to a theater in six years, but I just don't think I have the time

Any documentary with a clear POV is always going to be preaching to the choir so this movie won't change the political landscape, other than keeping the pro-life base energized.

[NorrinRadd]

It's available at several theaters in the Kansas City area. I actually want to see this, not having been to a theater in six years, but I just don't think I have the time

Any documentary with a clear POV is always going to be preaching to the choir so this movie won't change the political landscape, other than keeping the pro-life base energized.

Dean Cain is "pro-choice up to the point of viability," and made it sound as though the focus of the movie is not abortion per se, but the related horrible stuff Gosnell did. But that's just what I got from a couple of TV interviews.

[rogue06]

It's available at several theaters in the Kansas City area. I actually want to see this, not having been to a theater in six years, but I just don't think I have the time

Any documentary with a clear POV is always going to be preaching to the choir so this movie won't change the political landscape, other than keeping the pro-life base energized.

It's showing at a theater that I pass on my way to and from work.