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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
IF there is a problem with the Indian's not being able to vote, they need to fix it. But I am thinking this is more of a liberal whine than something real. But it really isn't a Voter ID thing is it? more of a voter address thing. Having a valid residence in a voting district is paramount to knowing who can vote in which elections. This isn't something new and it is a universal requirement everywhere.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAccording to that, native Americans can easily register to vote even without a traditional street address. So what exactly is the issue here?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat am I missing
...the Supreme Court refused to intervene in a challenge to a North Dakota voter ID law.
The law requires that North Dakota residents provide identification that includes a residential street address in order to vote. But the state is home to thousands of Native Americans and others who do not have standard addresses, which the challengers argued would effectively disenfranchise them.
A federal district court in North Dakota agreed with them in April, blocking the Secretary of State from enforcing the new requirements and thereby allowing voters to cast ballots in the primaries. But last month, the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals put the district court’s order on hold.
The challengers therefore submitted an urgent request to the Supreme Court asking the justices to toss out the law, but the Court denied it without explanation—with the exception of Justice Ginsburg, who wrote a dissent to which Justice Kagan joined...
In her dissent, Ginsburg highlighted that 70,000 North Dakota residents, which constitutes nearly 20% of the turnout “in a regular quadrennial election—lack a qualifying ID” under the the law’s provisions. Another 18,000 residents “lack supplemental documentation sufficient to permit them to vote without a qualifying ID.”
What’s more, Ginsburg noted that changing the rules ahead of November’s election could cause confusion amongst voters. “The risk of voter confusion appears severe here because the injunction against requiring residential-address identification was in force during the primary election and because the Secretary of State’s website announced for months the ID requirements as they existed under that injunction,” Ginsburg said.
“Reasonable voters may well assume that the IDs allowing them to vote in the primary election would remain valid in the general election.”"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThis precise issue has just gone through the courts all the way up to SCOTUS:
...the Supreme Court refused to intervene in a challenge to a North Dakota voter ID law.
The law requires that North Dakota residents provide identification that includes a residential street address in order to vote. But the state is home to thousands of Native Americans and others who do not have standard addresses, which the challengers argued would effectively disenfranchise them.
A federal district court in North Dakota agreed with them in April, blocking the Secretary of State from enforcing the new requirements and thereby allowing voters to cast ballots in the primaries. But last month, the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals put the district court’s order on hold.
The challengers therefore submitted an urgent request to the Supreme Court asking the justices to toss out the law, but the Court denied it without explanation—with the exception of Justice Ginsburg, who wrote a dissent to which Justice Kagan joined...
In her dissent, Ginsburg highlighted that 70,000 North Dakota residents, which constitutes nearly 20% of the turnout “in a regular quadrennial election—lack a qualifying ID” under the the law’s provisions. Another 18,000 residents “lack supplemental documentation sufficient to permit them to vote without a qualifying ID.”
What’s more, Ginsburg noted that changing the rules ahead of November’s election could cause confusion amongst voters. “The risk of voter confusion appears severe here because the injunction against requiring residential-address identification was in force during the primary election and because the Secretary of State’s website announced for months the ID requirements as they existed under that injunction,” Ginsburg said.
“Reasonable voters may well assume that the IDs allowing them to vote in the primary election would remain valid in the general election.”
The Supreme Court denies certiorari in nearly all the cases it's asked to hear, and that's routinely done without explanation. It only takes 4 justices to grant; it looks like in this case only two were willing to do so.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostSo it seems there is no clarity on also designating such people as part of the 50 states. So far it would be arbitrary to claim that someone holding to identity to a tribal nation should have access to vote through one state or another. How do you decide which state they would vote through? There also would be a need to have different ballots for native Americans who held state citizenship from native Americans who prioritized their tribal nationality. Next you have to figure out how to associate tribal nation population with this or that state.
How will the relationship between various aspects be resolve? States are supreme in their rule when the US constitution hasn't granted power to the US Government. Treaties between the US and the tribes have supremacy between those two entities. The US Constitution hasn't sought to grant representation to tribal nations. It seems that the tribal nations come closest to US territories which are not generally granted representation. It may even be easier for a Puerto Rican than a native American to move to a state and be a citizen there.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJust for grins, rather than take the word of an opinion piece, I went to the North Dakota Secretary of State website:
https://vip.sos.nd.gov/idrequirements.aspx
It refers to "residential address".
It says Identification must include the voter’s:
Name
Current North Dakota Residential Address
Date of Birth
And it allows for "Tribal government issued identification (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)"
It also allows...
If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.
So, is this information superseded by some new law?
I know of many people in Texas who have PO boxes, but also have a "rural route 7" type address.
If the people on the reservation have electricity or water or trash pick up, they have to have some kind of "residential address" to tell where that service is provided.
What am I missing, oh great condescending one?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJust for grins, rather than take the word of an opinion piece, I went to the North Dakota Secretary of State website:
https://vip.sos.nd.gov/idrequirements.aspx
It refers to "residential address".
It says Identification must include the voter’s:
Name
Current North Dakota Residential Address
Date of Birth
And it allows for "Tribal government issued identification (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address)"
It also allows...
If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.
So, is this information superseded by some new law?
I know of many people in Texas who have PO boxes, but also have a "rural route 7" type address.
If the people on the reservation have electricity or water or trash pick up, they have to have some kind of "residential address" to tell where that service is provided.
What am I missing, oh great condescending one?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostFWIU, Cramer is sufficiently ahead in the polls that Heitkamp didn't think that voting for Kavanaugh would be sufficient to swing things her way. Sounds like someone's using the time-honored tradition of scare tactics.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostTake a look at the Georgia Governors race. The republican candidate, in this neck and neck race, also controls the voter registration rolls and is rejecting on ridiculous technicalities some 50 thousand majority black registrations, unbeknownst to the registrants themselves, in order to suppress the vote of his democrat opponent.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAccording to that, native Americans can easily register to vote even without a traditional street address. So what exactly is the issue here?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post18,000 people of voting age do not pay bills, get a paycheck, or have a bank account?
The Supreme Court denies certiorari in nearly all the cases it's asked to hear, and that's routinely done without explanation. It only takes 4 justices to grant; it looks like in this case only two were willing to do so.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostLooks like Carpe did what he accuses others of doing. He took the word of a liberal site as gospel and failed to do his homework. Bad boy?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostEliminating valid U.S. citizens from voting is wrong - period."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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