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  • #61
    Originally posted by Charles View Post
    And when relativism will not work you can always attack the person.
    You really don't have a clue what relativism is do you? If you did you wouldn't use it in such a clumsy erroneous manner.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #62
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      You really don't have a clue what relativism is do you? If you did you wouldn't use it in such a clumsy erroneous manner.
      Another personal attack. Feel free to go for the challenge: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post583470

      If you take any interest in my position, you can read a lot about it in this thread: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...tion-of-ethics

      The reason I call you out on your relativism is because of the number of times I have seen you answering criticism of Trump or whomever with a line of examples of what others did that you think is worse. I have not seen a single example of you discussing what is right or wrong in and of itself in a context where you actually provided reasons for thinking so.
      Last edited by Charles; 10-14-2018, 02:17 PM.
      "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Charles View Post
        Another personal attack. Feel free to go for the challenge: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post583470

        If you take any interest in my position, you can read a lot about it in this thread: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...tion-of-ethics

        The reason I call you out on your relativism is because of the number of times I have seen you answering criticism of Trump or whomever with a line of examples of what others did that you think is worse. I have not seen a single example of you discussing what is right or wrong in and of itself in a context where you actually provided reasons for thinking so.
        I've responded to your "challenge" before in one of the many times you droned on about it. But in your typical fashion you choose to ignore the replies and merely regurgitate the same garbage.

        And as noted your attempt to shoehorn it into the discussion here exposes your complete unawareness about what relativism is since you applied it incorrectly.

        Moreover, this is a sad attempt to distract attention away from just how racist the left is when a black person dares to wander off the plantation. They get ruthless and vicious (the sort of name calling that you pretend gets your panties wadded up in a bunch) and instead of getting reprimanded from others on the left they are excused if not outright applauded.

        So chucky, are you going to call out the multitude of nasty racist slurs and smears that the left happily engages in when the black person gets uppity, or will you continue demonstrating your selective fake outrage?
        Last edited by rogue06; 10-14-2018, 03:16 PM.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Charles View Post
          And when relativism will not work you can always attack the person.
          It's standard procedure in these parts, Charles: attack the person and invoke the tu quoque fallacy, i.e. the “you too” fallacy. What else have they got when they're are trying to defend a racist jerk like Trump?
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            It's standard procedure in these parts, Charles: attack the person and invoke the tu quoque fallacy, i.e. the “you too” fallacy. What else have they got when they're are trying to defend a racist jerk like Trump?
            Just out of curiosity, why did the "racist jerk Trump" have West in the White House?
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Just out of curiosity, why did the "racist jerk Trump" have West in the White House?
              Why was Kanye West in the White House? It’s obvious, if Trump must have a token black to win over the black vote, it’s preferable to have a fellow, self-proclaimed stable genius like West than say, one of your more typical blacks like the Central Park Five for whom he demanded the death penalty, or those he excluded from renting his apartment buildings.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                I've responded to your "challenge" before in one of the many times you droned on about it. But in your typical fashion you choose to ignore the replies and merely regurgitate the same garbage.

                And as noted your attempt to shoehorn it into the discussion here exposes your complete unawareness about what relativism is since you applied it incorrectly.

                Moreover, this is a sad attempt to distract attention away from just how racist the left is when a black person dares to wander off the plantation. They get ruthless and vicious (the sort of name calling that you pretend gets your panties wadded up in a bunch) and instead of getting reprimanded from others on the left they are excused if not outright applauded.

                So chucky, are you going to call out the multitude of nasty racist slurs and smears that the left happily engages in when the black person gets uppity, or will you continue demonstrating your selective fake outrage?
                It should be easy to provide an example but I see none. It seems you are unable to provide them.

                Your claim that I applied relativism incorrectly is wrong. Like I explained it is simply aimed at the fact that you are never engaging in discussions about what is right or wrong in and of itself but always focus on what "the others" are doing that is worse than what "your side" is doing. Read your text again how clearly it exposes the idea that I have got something to to with what you criticize others for doing or saying. It is a foolish idea. I am not "the left" or a "leftist" or any of your stereotypes created in a universe that is seemingly void of any absolutes.

                Can you show me where exactly in your text you go for a real discussion about what is right or wrong in and of itself? Oh, I forgot, you could not provide examples.

                And the last part of your post is just a very low personal attack by someone who is focused on the "us and them" idea about a discussion and not what is right or wrong in and of itself. You see, you want to make my statements relative to who I am and what I do and not focus on the substance of it or whether my statements are right and wrong. Starting to sound like relativism, doesn't it? You would rather discuss me, my person, "the left" than what is actually right or wrong in and of itselft.... Thanks for providing the evidence that I was right. We did not get any evidence to the contrary, since even when asked, you could not provide an example.
                "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  Why was Kanye West in the White House? It’s obvious, if Trump must have a token black to win over the black vote, it’s preferable to have a fellow, self-proclaimed stable genius like West than say, one of your more typical blacks like the Central Park Five for whom he demanded the death penalty, or those he excluded from renting his apartment buildings.
                  And you don't even realize how racist your statement is, do you?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    Why was Kanye West in the White House? It’s obvious, if Trump must have a token black to win over the black vote, it’s preferable to have a fellow, self-proclaimed stable genius like West than say, one of your more typical blacks like the Central Park Five for whom he demanded the death penalty, or those he excluded from renting his apartment buildings.
                    And you don't even realize how racist your statement is, do you?
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      And you don't even realize how racist your statement is, do you?
                      No. He's a leftist. They're oblivious to their racism even when they cheer it on.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Charles View Post
                        [*chuckles again attempting to distract and deflect from the topic of left-wing racism by constantly regurgitating the same demands and grimly ignoring the replies he already got on other threads*]
                        Are you ever going to address the topic of the thread? Are you ever going to call out the multitude of nasty racist slurs and smears that the left happily engages in when the black person gets uppity (far worse than the stuff posted here that gets you squealing on in, panties wadded in a bunch assuming the role of thread nanny)? Or will you continue demonstrating your selective fake outrage?

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Perhaps it would be best if I remind some of the folks here of the blatant racism directed at black conservatives by liberals for the sin of wandering off the plantation that they established for them. Since I mentioned Condoleeza Rice first let's start with her.


                          Los Angeles Times' political cartoonist Jeff Danziger depicted her as the barely literate/ebonics-speaking, "Gone with the Wind" mammy-like character "Prissy" nursing the aluminum tubes cited by the Bush's Administration as evidence of Iraq’s pursuit of nuclear weapons. Danziger tried to deflect criticism from conservatives by claiming that the idea for his cartoon was suggested to him by some unnamed "black friend" and therefore wasn't racist. The rest of his claim underlies his deceit. He asserts that Rice "happens to be African-American" as if he were depicting her without regard to race. Bullfeathers. It is only because she is black that it makes any sense to draw her as a racist stereotype from "Gone with the Wind" –- and drawing her that way does not in any way make fun of her politics, it just makes fun of her race.

                          But it was nearly completely ignored because Rice is conservative.

                          Then there are the depictions by the Boston Globe's Pat Oliphant (twice) as a dark-skinned big-lipped parrot shortly after she was nominated to become Secretary of State. To be fair, it's a cartoonists' job to exaggerate features of people they draw, but the fact is that Rice doesn't have particularly full lips, so you would think he could have drawn Rice without resorting to a racist big-lipped caricature of blacks. In fact, in order to communicate convincingly the image of Rice, Oliphant needs to select specific features that are immediately recognizable by the largest possible audience. An obvious target would have been her unique hairstyle of the time, but Oliphant instead picked big lips because they have long been used as a way of communicating the racist idea that blacks are buffoons (i.e., Rice is dismissed as a buffoon). It is a physical feature exaggerated to communicate not only a certain race but also negative presumptions about the race.

                          But it was nearly completely ignored because Rice is conservative.

                          Next, there is the former President of the Association of American Editorial Cartoonists, Ted Rall, who depicted the then-Secretary of State as being sent to an inner-city racial re-education camp where she claims that she was Bush’s "house nigga." Rall, a white male, was accused of racism by Project 21, an organization that describes itself as "The National Leadership Network of Black Conservatives"

                          But it was nearly completely ignored because Rice is conservative.

                          Similarly, the late liberal syndicated radio talk show host Neil Rogers (WQAM in South Florida) commissioned and continuously played a song about Rice done to the tune of Nat King Cole’s classic "Mona Lisa," mocking black’s speech patterns and containing racist slurs and described her as a "black-haired answer-mammy" who "cleans all the White House bathrooms." Entitled “Condolezza,” the song includes the following lyrics:

                          "Is you there 'cause you a high-toned public Negro?
                          Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart?
                          Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza?
                          Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars.

                          Georgie junior says he trusts you, Condoleezza.
                          Who said our [unintelligible] off the greedy oil woes.
                          But then he make you clean all the White House bathrooms.
                          The public sink, the toilet and let's scrub the floors."

                          The NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton... none of the usual suspects, ever asked for Rogers to be yanked off the air (which they would if Condolezza Rice was a liberal) much less even bothered to ask for a simple apology. It was, say it with me now, nearly completely ignored because Rice is conservative.

                          Then there is the poet laureate of New Jersey, Amiri Baraka (a.k.a., Everett LeRoi Jones, Imamu Amear Baraka), who wrote a poem blaming the Jews for the 9/11 terrorist attacks ("Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers to stay home that day? Why did Sharon stay away?") where he also attacked not only Rice but Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and Secretary of State Colin Powell as well in one of his tax-payer sponsored "poems":

                          Who do Tom Ass Clarence Work for
                          Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth
                          Who know what kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza

                          Once again, imagine the reaction if a conservative had said similar things about liberal blacks.


                          The next one I mentioned was the considerably lesser known former Maryland Lt. Governor and RNC chairman Michael S. Steele (who liberals pelted with Oreo cookies, called an "Uncle Tom" and depicted as a black-faced minstrel). Boston Globe movie critic Wesley Morris likened the House Negro in D’Jango Unchained, played by Samuel L. Jackson, to Steele.

                          And then there was this image of him circulated on liberal websites (next to an actual picture)

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                          Not only was there no outcry, but liberal blacks made it clear they approved of such treatment!

                          Liberal black leaders responded to objections from Steele by saying that there is nothing wrong with what they called "pointing out the obvious." A campaign spokesman for Kweisi Mfume, a 5-term Democratic Congressman and candidate for the U.S. Senate as well as the former president of the NAACP, proclaimed that "There is a difference between pointing out the obvious and calling someone names." Mfume never rejected the statement or asked his aide to apologize or retract his statement.

                          Likewise, Maryland State Senator Lisa A. Gladden, a black Baltimore Democrat, said that she doesn’t expect her party to pull any punches including racial jabs at Mr. Steele: "If you are bold enough to run, you have to take whatever the voters are going to give you. It’s a democracy."

                          Delegate Salima Siler Marriott, a black Baltimore Democrat, claimed that Mr. Steele invited comparisons to a slave who loves his cruel master or a cookie that is white on the inside and black on the outside because his conservative philosophy is, in her view, anti-black. "Because he is a conservative, he is different than most public blacks, and he is different than most people in our community," (talk about stereotyping) she said. "His politics are not in the best interest of the masses of black people."


                          Perhaps I should provide another example. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

                          First off liberals have repeatedly proclaimed that Thomas isn't really black because he isn't liberal. There's that racist stereotyping from the left again. Far too many liberals commonly dismisses out-of-hand as an "inauthentic black" any black person whose world-view differs from their own. The insidious racist axiom here is that, "all blacks think alike," a laughably ridiculous concept that civil rights leaders would be quick to condemn if they were said by a conservative.

                          When Samuel Alito was nominated to the U.S. Supreme Court in 2005, the editorial staff of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel called for more diversity in the high court and declared that Clarence Thomas doesn’t count as black (he "deserves an asterisk because he doesn't represent the views of mainstream black America."). To the left being black isn’t about race it’s about political beliefs. And the left is very intolerant of any minority who doesn’t reside in their ideological plantation.

                          After Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia's death in 2016[1], Congresswoman Karen Bass (D-Calif), indicated that Clarence Thomas wasn't an authentic black when she demanded that Scalia's replacement should be black, so as to give the Court an "African-American voice" which she said was lacking since Thurgood Marshall's time. “I think many people would like to see an African American on the Supreme Court,” Bass declared.

                          While discussing the views of Thomas Columbia University professor of African-American Studies and political scientist Manning Marable decided that "ethnically, Thomas has ceased being an African American"

                          From the podium of the 1995 National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) convention Thomas was repeatedly called a "pimp" and a "traitor" to the black community. The late Rev. Joseph Lowery of the Southern Christian Leadership Council (SCLC) intoned, "I have told [Thomas] that I am ashamed of him, because he is becoming to the black community what Benedict Arnold was to the nation he deserted; and what Judas Iscariot was to Jesus; a traitor; and what Brutus was to Caesar; an assassin."

                          The late columnist Carl Rowan snidely remarked that, "if you give Thomas a little flour on his face, you’d think you had [former Klansman] David Duke." Former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown called Thomas not only "a shill for the most insidious form of racism," but someone who's views are "legitimizing of the Klu Klux Klan." Brown added that Thomas should be shunned and "shut out" by the black community.

                          Jesse Jackson proclaimed that Thomas was an "enemy of civil rights" and likened Thomas to a member of the Ku Klux Klan asserting that, "At night, the enemies of civil rights strike in white sheets, burning crosses ... By day, they strike in black robes."

                          Georgetown professor and MSNBC regular Michael Eric Dyson declared on Martin Bashir in 2013 that Thomas is "a symbolic Jew has invited a metaphoric Hitler to commit holocaust and genocide upon his own people." The host, Martin Bashir (who would shortly resign after calling for someone to [vulgar term for defecate] in Sarah Palin's mouth) simply responded to this slur with a calm "thank you."

                          The November 1997 cover of Emerge magazine depicted Thomas as a smiling lawn jockey next to the caption: “Lawn Jockey for The Far Right.” Inside was artwork that depicted Thomas as a shoeshine boy for Justice Antonin Scalia. George Curry, who was editor-in-chief of Emerge, defended the drawings because he said they weren’t as bad as others he had seen or as bad as some remarks about Thomas he had heard. Imagine how far that defense would go if a conservative magazine had Obama depicted as a shoeshine boy for George Soros.

                          In 2014 Congressman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss) called Thomas and other black conservatives "Uncle Tom[s]." When asked to clarify his remarks in light of the fact that the term is regarded racist, Thompson brushed it off saying it was legitimate because he isn't liberal and "voter ID, affirmative action, Affordable Care Act -- all those issues are very important and for someone in the court who’s African American and not sensitive to that is a real problem."

                          The late author and feminist activist June Jordan characterized Thomas as a "virulent Oreo phenomenon," a "punk-ass," and an "Uncle Tom calamity." Movie director Spike Lee called Thomas "a handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom."[2]

                          USA Today columnist and "Pacifica Radio" talk show host Julianne Malveaux[3] related her feelings toward Thomas on a 1994 episode of To the Contrary: "I hope his [Thomas’] wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter, and he dies early, like many black men do, of heart disease ... He’s an absolutely reprehensible person." How dare he be black and a conservative! He needs to die.

                          Interestingly, liberals openly despise Thomas because of his mixed race marriage. Thomas, who's wife is white, has been attacked on these grounds by liberals multiple times over the years.

                          Russell Adams, chairman of the Afro-American studies department at Howard University (America's most prominent black institution of higher learning) told the Washington Post, "His marrying of a white woman is a sign of his rejection of the black community. Great Justices have had community roots that served as a basis for understanding the Constitution. Clarence’s lack of a sense of community makes his nomination troubling." In defense of this the chairman of Howard's political science department, Ronald Walters, declared that he was sick and tired of hearing about the emergence of "black male conservatives who have exhibited a tendency toward interracial marriage." He then snidely added, "White conservatives are [Clarence Thomas's] ideological bedfellows, and his white conservative wife is literally his bedfellow."

                          Wow.

                          But that is hardly all.

                          Former U.S. Court of Appeals Judge the late A. Leon Higginbotham declared during a speech at New York University that Thomas is paving the way for the reinstituting white supremacy and asserted that his conservative views are a symptom of "racial self-hatred." He then went on to offer proof of his diagnoses -- that Thomas is married to a white woman. This, Higginbotham, said is evidence that Thomas "hates black women."

                          USA Today columnist Barbara Reynolds attacked Thomas for having married a white woman: "It may sound bigoted; well, this is a bigoted world and why can’t black people be allowed a little Archie Bunker mentality? ... Here’s a man who’s going to decide crucial issues for the country and he has already said no to blacks; he has already said if he can’t paint himself white he’ll think white and marry a white woman."

                          In February 2014, State Rep. Alvin Holmes (D-AL) said of Justice Thomas: "I don’t like him at all because he’s an Uncle Tom." Earlier Holmes explained, while on the floor of the Alabama House of Representatives, that he disliked Thomas because "he’s married to a white woman."















                          1. After the death of Antonin Scalia the "Twitterverse" absolutely lit up with liberals wishing that Thomas would die soon.

                          2. Lee once declared that Michael Williams was an "Uncle Tom" who needed to be "dragged into the alley and beaten with a Louisville Slugger" for promoting race-neutral scholarships while serving as a senior official in the Bush Administration's Department of Education.

                          3. who took particular delight in referring to white males as "white boys" and told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer shortly before the first July 4th after 9/11 that, “I don’t celebrate the Fourth of July. I get up in the morning and read Fredrick Douglas’, “The Meaning of the Fourth of July to the Negro” and then I grouse for the rest of the day" and who had earlier told the Washington Post that "it’s ridiculous for black Americans to recite the Pledge of Allegiance because its words are nothing but a lie. Just a lie."
                          Looks like this needs to be re-posted since it got the leftists here all so worked up in their studious effort to dismiss it without actually addressing anything it says.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            Are you ever going to address the topic of the thread? Are you ever going to call out the multitude of nasty racist slurs and smears that the left happily engages in when the black person gets uppity (far worse than the stuff posted here that gets you squealing on in, panties wadded in a bunch assuming the role of thread nanny)? Or will you continue demonstrating your selective fake outrage?
                            Ok, I think it is fair to conclude that you have got no arguments or at least you are unwilling to share them and go for personal attacks instead. You could not show an instance of you discussing what is right and wrong in and of itself. Quite telling. Personal attacks wont help your case.
                            "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              No. He's a leftist. They're oblivious to their racism even when they cheer it on.
                              You do realise that the line of thinking that ALL people in a certain category think, act and behave the same is the line of thinking that creates the foundation for ......?
                              "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                              • #75
                                Moderated By: Sparko

                                Chuck, either address the topic or your derail will be moved to your derail thread. enough of this nonsense!

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