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Warren calls Trumps bluff, proves native american heritage.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostSo if 10% (or 20%, depending on which result you use) of them finding it offensive isn't enough for you to consider it a problem, what percentage is required for it to be an issue?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostIf Warren is Native American on account of at most 1/32nd Native American ancestry, then I'm a cyborg on account of my pacemaker."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTwo things are really amazing...
A) That Warren would actually make the giant error of making this an issue again
2) The profound ignorance and/or dishonesty of the left who ignore the evidence, twist Trump's words, and demand he pay
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...ion-offer-dna/
You and Trump are liars to pretend otherwise. So what's new?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWarren NEVER made it it an issue, Trump with his relentless "Pocahontas" crap made it an issue. Just as he did with his 'birtherism' crap re Obama.
"President Donald Trump offered to donate $1 million to a charity of Sen. Elizabeth Warren's choice if she would take a DNA test to demonstrate that she had Native American ancestry". "TRUE".
Watch the video and see what he actually says.
You and Trump are liars to pretend otherwise. So what's new?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd she fell right into his trap. .Last edited by Tassman; 10-16-2018, 11:27 PM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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"Let’s say I’m debating Pocahontas, right? I promise you I will do this. You know those little kits they sell on television for two dollars? I’m going to get one of those little kits. And in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that she’s of Indian heritage, because her mother said she has high cheek bones. That’s her only evidence, that her mother said she had high cheek bones. We will take that little kit, and say . . . but we have to do it gently . . . because we’re in the Me Too Generation, so we have to be very gentle. And we will very gently take that kit, and we will slowly toss it, hoping it doesn’t hit her and injure her arm. And we will say, ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian. And let’s see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no, but we’ll hold that for the debates."
In what universe does this sound like somebody making an entirely serious, completely legitimate offer?
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And even it was a serious offer, "I have a tiny little insignificant fraction of Native-American DNA" would satisfy a challenge to "show that you're an Indian" in the same way that "I once removed a splinter from a friend's hand" would satisfy a challenge to "show that you're a surgeon."
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
The point at the time was this: Duke endorsed him. And he refused to reject the endorsement publicly. With an endorsement from someone like Duke, something said in the past* means nothing. it must be rejected, and it must be rejected very soon after the endorsement or you've implicitly told his (Duke's) followers you are with them. Any delay at all is acceptance of their pat on the back. Because they know anyone they endorse has to publicly reject them eventually. But by delaying the endorsement as long as he did, he implicitly accepts their endorsement. It's just how it is.
I really have no idea what you're talking about.
Jim
*not to mention the fact one of his earliest tactics was to ask who David Duke was. So you really can't have it both ways MM. If he disavowed him in the past, he knew who he was when he endorsed him and asking "who is Duke" was a delay tactic or outright lie. If he didn't know who he was, then he would not have been able to disavow him in the past.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 10-17-2018, 07:44 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWarren NEVER made it it an issue, Trump with his relentless "Pocahontas" crap made it an issue. Just as he did with his 'birtherism' crap re Obama.
"President Donald Trump offered to donate $1 million to a charity of Sen. Elizabeth Warren's choice if she would take a DNA test to demonstrate that she had Native American ancestry". "TRUE".
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...ion-offer-dna/
You and Trump are liars to pretend otherwise. So what's new?
Trump didn't say 'of Indian descent'. He said"
[CITE]if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian[/QUOTE]
The only way that test can show she's an Indian is if
1) >50% of her DNA is Indian
2) x% of her DNA is Indian and x meets a legal definition of Indian
3) Some American Indian Nation will accept x% and declare her officially Indian
None of those criteria are met. Trump by hook or crook avoided having to pay up by not specifying what he meant by "show she's an Indian", and she just doesn't meet any of the criteria that would be required to establish membership in any Indian Nation or to meet any Federal Government definition of the term.
Had he said "of Indian descent" (which is how the article interprets what trump said, not what he actually said) he would be obligated. As it is he's just going to be his normal nasty self and continue to dig at her on it. Unfortunately, the only way to deal with Trump is to think like the schoolyard bully he is. We are all back in 6th grade when it comes to Trump. To deal with him one must act like one is dealing with a 6th grade bully on the playground.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by CMD View Post"Let’s say I’m debating Pocahontas, right? I promise you I will do this. You know those little kits they sell on television for two dollars? I’m going to get one of those little kits. And in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that she’s of Indian heritage, because her mother said she has high cheek bones. That’s her only evidence, that her mother said she had high cheek bones. We will take that little kit, and say . . . but we have to do it gently . . . because we’re in the Me Too Generation, so we have to be very gentle. And we will very gently take that kit, and we will slowly toss it, hoping it doesn’t hit her and injure her arm. And we will say, ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian. And let’s see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no, but we’ll hold that for the debates."
In what universe does this sound like somebody making an entirely serious, completely legitimate offer?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View PostOh, I remember him doing that too. It doesn't change the fact he hemmed and hawed and then finally actually said something meaningful - only when pushed.
Trump: "I disavow David Duke. He's a bad a person, and I want nothing to do with him."
Media: "OK, but we have to ask, when are you going to disavow David Duke?"
Trump: "I just did, but I'll do it again if it'll make you happy."
Media: "So you'll only disavow him to make us happy?"
Trump: ""
Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View PostThe point at the time was this: Duke endorsed him. And he refused to reject the endorsement publicly.
Bubble-headed Reporter: "How do you feel about the recent endorsement from David Duke?"
Trump: "I didn’t even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? Okay, all right. I disavow, okay?"
Just reading the text almost makes it sound dismissive, but here's a screenshot of his body language as he said it:
Screen Shot 2018-10-17 at 8.46.12 AM.jpg
He was very strong and resolute in his disavowal.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostFake news. He consistently, explicitly, and unequivocally denounced Dave Duke on multiple occasions going as far back as 2000; but the media kept pestering him, trying to turn the whole thing into a manufactured crisis. It was like:
Trump: "I disavow David Duke. He's a bad a person, and I want nothing to do with him."
Media: "OK, but we have to ask, when are you going to disavow David Duke?"
Trump: "I just did, but I'll do it again if it'll make you happy."
Media: "So you'll only disavow him to make us happy?"
Trump: ""
Fake news. Duke endorsed Trump on February 25, 2016. At a news conference the next day, this exchange took place:
Bubble-headed Reporter: "How do you feel about the recent endorsement from David Duke?"
Trump: "I didn’t even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? Okay, all right. I disavow, okay?"
Just reading the text almost makes it sound dismissive, but here's a screenshot of his body language as he said it:
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He was very strong and resolute in his disavowal.
Sooooooooo ...
How did Trump disavow Duke in the past and end up with THAT exchange*? This is a perfect example the hemming and hawing I'm talking about.
Jim
*the answer is fairly obvious. Trump had a 'change of heart' and was willing to dodge to keep Duke and his crew 'on board' with his campaign.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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