Warren calls Trumps bluff, proves native american heritage.

[Mountain Man]

From earlier in the thread...

That "family lore" apparently includes claims (lies?) by her parents that her racist grandparents forced her father and mother to elope because they didn't approve of her father marrying a woman of Cherokee descent. However, public records show that her extended family is white and suggest that her parents had a traditional [Methodist] wedding ceremony.

[Bill the Cat]

"chink in the armor"

That's racist.

[carpedm9587]

That's racist.

When the reference is to a chinese man - yes.

When the reference is a metaphor for flaws in medieval armor - no.

[Bill the Cat]

When the reference is to a chinese man - yes.

When the reference is a metaphor for flaws in medieval armor - no.

Not according to ESPN, who doled out a 30-day suspension to anchor Max Bretos for asking Jeremy Lin if he had any flaws in his game while using the term.

[carpedm9587]

Not according to ESPN, who doled out a 30-day suspension to anchor Max Bretos for asking Jeremy Lin if he had any flaws in his game while using the term.

I would have handed him the suspension as well, especially in the face of the backlash. He was talking to a Chinese man. He should have been more careful. My suspension would not have been an accusation that he was being racist, but rather a reflection of the fact that the negative press resulting from his lack of care negatively impacted the network. It would have been a message to my other broadcasters and staff: be careful of your choice of words on air.

[Mountain Man]

He was talking to a Chinese man. He should have been more careful.

Yes, because it's not like the phrase "chink in the armor" has an historical meaning that has nothing to do with racism.

Although with the standard you've set, white people can scream "That's racist!" any time someone uses the term "whitewash" to refer to the actions of a white person.

[Zymologist]

Yes, because it's not like the phrase "chink in the armor" has an historical meaning that has nothing to do with racism.

Although with the standard you've set, white people can scream "That's racist!" any time someone uses the term "whitewash" to refer to the actions of a white person.

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[Bill the Cat]

I would have handed him the suspension as well, especially in the face of the backlash. He was talking to a Chinese man. He should have been more careful. My suspension would not have been an accusation that he was being racist, but rather a reflection of the fact that the negative press resulting from his lack of care negatively impacted the network. It would have been a message to my other broadcasters and staff: be careful of your choice of words on air.

Because the phrase is seen by Asians as racist.

[Sparko]

IF this is the case, this was Harvard’s doing, not Warren’s.



It did no such thing. “Senator Elizabeth Warren’s genetic ancestry test results, which showed she has at least one Native American ancestor many generations ago”.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jennife.../#c9d828212df7

This is all she’s ever claimed based upon family lore.

She “does make this distinction between family heritage and tribal identity, stressing in the video that she is not a member of a tribal nation and does not identify as Native American even as her family stories and genetic heritage do suggest a connection to a single Native American ancestor." Ibid.

She claimed to have indian ancestors as recently as her great grand parent. The test showed IF she had native DNA it was hundreds of years ago, 1024th Indian. 10 generations ago at best. That is nothing. Just about every white person in America has that much or more Native American in them.

[Sparko]

She believes she is, her family lore is that she is. It's understandable that family traditions play an important part in her life as it does for all of us. It's obvious that she did not embark on a cynical course of deliberate untruths for self-advancement.

Tassman, there is a similar story in my family that my great-great grandmother was Cherokee. There are similar stories in many families. Usually it is because someone in their family married someone black or had an affair with someone black and they said "Indian" because it was less controversial back then. I have no idea if my family's story is true or not. I did an ancestry search and most of the 1890 US census records were lost in a fire which would be right around the time she lived, so there is really no way to check. A lot of family trees end there or get sidetracked. But anyway just because I have such a story in my family, I would never try to claim I was in any way a Native American. Especially not on any official documents like a Bar license or in a college. Even if it is true, being 1/32 or 1/64th Native American is not enough to claim that kind of status officially.

By the way my brother did one of those DNA tests, and it didn't show any native american in us. So either the story was wrong, or the test wasn't thorough enough. It showed our Ancestry as English. Even though I know I am half-German, that didn't show up at all on the test.

[Mountain Man]

By the way my brother did one of those DNA tests, and it didn't show any native american in us. So either the story was wrong, or the test wasn't thorough enough. It showed our Ancestry as English. Even though I know I am half-German, that didn't show up at all on the test.

If it was a service like Ancestory.com, those are notoriously unreliable. Warren at least used an expert geneticist which is probably why her test results showed any non-white DNA at all

[Sparko]

If it was a service like Ancestory.com, those are notoriously unreliable. Warren at least used an expert geneticist which is probably why her test results showed any non-white DNA at all

Yeah I think it was that one. It showed like a pie chart with most of it showing England and like a teeny sliver showing "other European" - which doesn't make sense since my mom is German. Should have shown half European I would think.

[Cow Poke]

She claimed to have indian ancestors as recently as her great grand parent...

It's interesting - she's a fraud, pretending to be a Native American, while we have a Native American pretending to be a Vietnam Vet.

[Bill the Cat]

Yeah I think it was that one. It showed like a pie chart with most of it showing England and like a teeny sliver showing "other European" - which doesn't make sense since my mom is German. Should have shown half European I would think.

My wife did both Ancestry and 23 & Me and they were kind of different. Heavy British Isles and some German, but the 23&Me showed a small percentage of Sub-Sahara Africa and some Neanderthal markers where the Ancestry didn't show any of those.

[Sparko]

My wife did both Ancestry and 23 & Me and they were kind of different. Heavy British Isles and some German, but the 23&Me showed a small percentage of Sub-Sahara Africa and some Neanderthal markers where the Ancestry didn't show any of those.

I just asked my brother for a copy of it again. They updated it. Now it shows 30% German. Getting closer.

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