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    What should be done then, my friends? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up. If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let them be silent in church and speak to themselves and to God. Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. If a revelation is made to someone else sitting nearby, let the first person be silent. For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged. And the spirits of prophets are subject to the prophets, for God is a God not of disorder but of peace....So, my friends, be eager to prophecy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues; but all things should be done decently and in order. (1 Cor. 14:26-32;39-40).

    Does anyone have experience with this primitive church model displayed in the Corinthian church? The liberty and free expression via the promptings of the indwelling Holy Spirit was of significant importance in this nascent church; indeed, each member of this body of believers was encouraged to participate and exercise their gifts in spontaneous yet orderly fashion.

  • #2
    I had a good friend who was a pastor of a variant of an Assembly of God Church, and he used that model on Sunday evenings.

    He told me that the hardest part of his job was to allow the freedom of the Holy Spirit, but constrain the nuts that this environment attracted. He was being quite serious - it takes great discernment, and quite a bit of balance. He had a crew of men who would "guide" people out who got out of hand.

    He used, as an example, several times where somebody would "give a word in tongues", then proceed to interpret their own "prophecy". He would nod to his "armor bearers", and they would guide that person out the door.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      IIRC the Vineyard Movement uses this extensively. It's been a while since I went to one of their services, though.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        IIRC the Vineyard Movement uses this extensively. It's been a while since I went to one of their services, though.
        I was going to say that this does sound like the Vineyard way of "doing church," as I believe they call it.

        I've been wanting to visit a Vineyard, but there are none within convenient driving distance.
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        • #5
          The Vineyards I've been to have a fairly traditional service, with a worship set, then a message. The Vineyard I now attend then has an open mic after the message, where people are encouraged to share any words of knowledge they may have, about people there, to encourage the people concerned to come up for prayer.

          I think the old Quakers were about as close to the model Scrawly quotes as anyone I have heard of.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
            The Vineyards I've been to have a fairly traditional service, with a worship set, then a message. The Vineyard I now attend then has an open mic after the message, where people are encouraged to share any words of knowledge they may have, about people there, to encourage the people concerned to come up for prayer.

            I think the old Quakers were about as close to the model Scrawly quotes as anyone I have heard of.

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            Well, given the example of a Pauline service in Acts (where a guy fell out a window), I don't think the general service was necessarily as free-form as the OP makes out.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
              The Vineyards I've been to have a fairly traditional service, with a worship set, then a message. The Vineyard I now attend then has an open mic after the message, where people are encouraged to share any words of knowledge they may have, about people there, to encourage the people concerned to come up for prayer.
              I think they do allow some variability. A lady from my high school graduating class is a Vineyard pastor over in OH. I may ask her.


              I think the old Quakers were about as close to the model Scrawly quotes as anyone I have heard of.
              That makes sense. Wimber had a Quaker background, IIRC.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Well, given the example of a Pauline service in Acts (where a guy fell out a window), I don't think the general service was necessarily as free-form as the OP makes out.
                I wonder whether there was any "general" service. I suspect a good deal of liberty and flexibility.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  I had a good friend who was a pastor of a variant of an Assembly of God Church, and he used that model on Sunday evenings.

                  He told me that the hardest part of his job was to allow the freedom of the Holy Spirit, but constrain the nuts that this environment attracted. He was being quite serious - it takes great discernment, and quite a bit of balance. He had a crew of men who would "guide" people out who got out of hand.

                  He used, as an example, several times where somebody would "give a word in tongues", then proceed to interpret their own "prophecy". He would nod to his "armor bearers", and they would guide that person out the door.
                  Bless your friend's labor of love in the Lord. Yes these practices ought to be done in tandem with leadership and so forth to ensure orderliness.

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                  • #10
                    Does anyone know if brother Craig Keener and brother Michael Brown appropriate this model in their churches (being in the charismatic stream of things)?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                      I wonder whether there was any "general" service. I suspect a good deal of liberty and flexibility.
                      If the service grew organically out of the syngogue service, which seems to me rather likely given even Paul's emphasis on starting there, then there certainly would have been at least some sort of structure.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
                        Bless your friend's labor of love in the Lord. Yes these practices ought to be done in tandem with leadership and so forth to ensure orderliness.
                        OK, time for a story....

                        when I was young, first preaching, I was invited to preach at an African-American congregation's "building dedication". This is pretty much an all day event, multiple preachers, several meals....

                        As I was preaching, a woman jumped up and started speaking in tongues very loudly, and it startled me, as that was the first time I had seen this in Church. I just froze for a minute, and the African-American pastor - a good friend (he was about 5 foot 20, 350 lbs) had been seated in a bench near the pulpit. He got up and came over to me, gently moved me aside from the pulpit, and nodded to two of his men at the back door. They got up, gently took this lady by the elbows and guided her out the back door, still dancing and speaking in tongues.

                        When they had her outside of the auditorium, the pastor said something very profound that I'll never forget. He said, in a purposeful Negro dialect (probably for my benefit) "The Holy Spirit don't NEVER interrupt Himself".

                        He looked at me and said, "get back to preachin' brother".

                        I have to admit, I was still somewhat discombobulated, trying to remember where I was.

                        He put his big pointer finger down on my bible and said, "You were RIGHT here!"

                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
                          Does anyone know if brother Craig Keener and brother Michael Brown appropriate this model in their churches (being in the charismatic stream of things)?
                          Keener attends a Vineyard in KY. I'm not sure exactly what are the practices of that particular branch.
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                          • #14
                            I attend a Vineyard Church. The services are formally structured - 30 minutes of music, a 45-50 minute sermon, invitation, and Communion. I have never seen a deviation from the schedule, and there is no "audience participation".

                            Sadly, I can't join the church because they require inerrancy and eternal torment. Oddly, during the membership meeting where I found this out, they said "we like John Stott!" John Stott held to neither inerrancy nor eternal torment.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              OK, time for a story....

                              when I was young, first preaching, I was invited to preach at an African-American congregation's "building dedication". This is pretty much an all day event, multiple preachers, several meals....

                              As I was preaching, a woman jumped up and started speaking in tongues very loudly, and it startled me, as that was the first time I had seen this in Church. I just froze for a minute, and the African-American pastor - a good friend (he was about 5 foot 20, 350 lbs) had been seated in a bench near the pulpit. He got up and came over to me, gently moved me aside from the pulpit, and nodded to two of his men at the back door. They got up, gently took this lady by the elbows and guided her out the back door, still dancing and speaking in tongues.

                              When they had her outside of the auditorium, the pastor said something very profound that I'll never forget. He said, in a purposeful Negro dialect (probably for my benefit) "The Holy Spirit don't NEVER interrupt Himself".

                              He looked at me and said, "get back to preachin' brother".

                              I have to admit, I was still somewhat discombobulated, trying to remember where I was.

                              He put his big pointer finger down on my bible and said, "You were RIGHT here!"

                              I believe this is now my second time reading this story, not that I'm complaining though

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