Khashoggi

[firstfloor]

Spoken like a true conspiracy theorist, ff. JimL probably even takes your fantasy seriously.

Nothing on this earth is more corrupting than oil.

He did not mention the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, widely seen as the most powerful figure in the kingdom and who many believe ordered the killing.
For a president not shy of confrontation, this could be another attempt to preserve the diplomatic relationship with Saudi Arabia or a result of pressure from Riyadh or Washington to hold back, says the BBC's Mark Lowen in Istanbul.
The Turkish president had promised to reveal the "naked truth" about the killing, but his speech gave barely more detail than we knew, our correspondent added.

- BBC reporting on Erdogan today.

We have to guess at what’s going on behind the scenes but you can bet, if Republicans are involved, that it’s nothing honourable.

[One Bad Pig]

Nothing on this earth is more corrupting than oil.

Too bad the US is now energy independent, eh? And we've got Iraq as a backup, so we're good, thanks.

[One Bad Pig]

Nevertheless, the US still owed him protection and is obligated to pursue justice on his behalf. “The US constitution protects any person on US soil—no matter what their status—and US citizens overseas”. “Khashoggi was living in the United States on an “O” visa, according to his employer the Washington Post. Also known as the “genius” visa, the O offers individuals of “extraordinary ability and achievement” temporary residence for up to three years. Three of Khashoggi’s children are US citizens, and he is believed to have been applying for a legal permanent residence in the US, also known as a green card”.

https://qz.com/1428499/jamal-khashog...-constitution/

You realize he was neither on US soil nor a US citizen at the time, yes?

[Cow Poke]

Nothing on this earth is more corrupting than oil....

Perhaps you're unaware of "blood diamonds"?

[One Bad Pig]

Perhaps you're unaware of "blood diamonds"?

[Tassman]

You realize he was neither on US soil nor a US citizen at the time, yes?

That’s Trump’s argument but it doesn’t hold up. Quelle Surprise.

Protection under US domestic law applies to lawful permanent residents. " Lawful permanent residents (LPR), or green card holders generally are not entitled to emergency and protective services provided by the U.S. Government, the US statue says, except when an LPR applicant has exceptionally close and strong ties to the United States, and overriding humanitarian and compassionate grounds exist.”

https://qz.com/1428499/jamal-khashog...-constitution/

Khashoggi had such close ties. He was living in the United States on an “O” visa. He was employed by a US newspaper and he had children, who are US citizens,

[JimL]

It wasn't an American journalist; it was a Saudi journalist who resided here because it wasn't safe for him to stay in SA.

Ah, Kashoggi worked for the Washington post, not the Saudi Arab News. He's a Saudi who worked as an American journalist.

[oxmixmudd]

Perhaps you're unaware of "blood diamonds"?

The issue isn't oil or blood diamonds. It is the corrupting influence of wealth and power, of 'mammon' as the scriptures call it. None of us are immune, but especially those whose whole life is focused on amassing wealth and power. Such individuals will always be corrupt.

You can't serve both God and Mammon

- Jesus Christ














Jim

[One Bad Pig]

That’s Trump’s argument but it doesn’t hold up. Quelle Surprise.

Protection under US domestic law applies to lawful permanent residents. " Lawful permanent residents (LPR), or green card holders generally are not entitled to emergency and protective services provided by the U.S. Government, the US statue says, except when an LPR applicant has exceptionally close and strong ties to the United States, and overriding humanitarian and compassionate grounds exist.”

https://qz.com/1428499/jamal-khashog...-constitution/

Khashoggi had such close ties. He was living in the United States on an “O” visa. He was employed by a US newspaper and he had children, who are US citizens,

Ah, goalpost move. Quelle Surprise. It's a bit late for "emergency and protective services", yes? Also, note the high bar of the language involved: "exceptionally close and strong ties... AND overriding humanitarian and compassionate grounds exist." There's plenty of wiggle room there; it seems that one would need to first demonstrate this before services are provided. So, quelle surprise redux, Trump's argument DOES hold up after all.

Kashoggi also had close ties to Islamist groups, so it's far from clear he'd be granted a green card regardless.

[One Bad Pig]

Ah, Kashoggi worked for the Washington post, not the Saudi Arab News. He's a Saudi who worked as an American journalist.

No, he's a Saudi who worked for the Washington Post as a foreign correspondent.

[JimL]

No, he's a Saudi who worked for the Washington Post as a foreign correspondent.

[One Bad Pig]

Them fact thingies getting in your way?

[One Bad Pig]

The issue isn't oil or blood diamonds. It is the corrupting influence of wealth and power, of 'mammon' as the scriptures call it. None of us are immune, but especially those whose whole life is focused on amassing wealth and power. Such individuals will always be corrupt.

You can't serve both God and Mammon

- Jesus Christ














Jim

You're preaching to the choir, Jim. Cow Poke is just poking firstfloor.

[oxmixmudd]

You're preaching to the choir, Jim. Cow Poke is just poking firstfloor.

I've been slammed way too often for making assumptions about the intent of a statement - so I do my best not to do that.

And so I'm just taking the statement(s) at face value and pointing out what the real problem is.

The target is anyone reading - members of the choir or not

Jim

[firstfloor]

You're preaching to the choir, Jim. Cow Poke is just poking firstfloor.

You misjudge my dear friend. I think CP was just wanting to compile a list of things not to get obsessed about.