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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostSo lets say it happened. Should it have any consequences? I don't mind the US not reacting right away, but waiting for an opportunity to make their disapproval known. Trump is known for saying one thing about a political leader in public, but doing things differently behind the scenes.
Lets say, that it happened as reported. Saudi men kidnapped an American journalist who was critical of the regime, tortured him to death, recorded it and leaked the recording of the persons screams. Should this have any consequences?Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postof course. The Saudi's should put the prince in prison if they want serve justice and to have good relations with the rest of the world and the USA.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Here's some interesting commentary on this....
So what about Jamal Khashoggi? Yes, it is now clear that Saudi Arabian man was murdered. But what are the facts of his death and do they matter to you? Or to America?
First things first. It is important to understand that Khashoggi—whose name the mainstream media seems to be having such difficulty pronouncing, even though no one had any difficulty for decades with his uncle Adnan Khashoggi, the late billionaire arms dealer—was neither an American nor was he strictly speaking a journalist.
Khashoggi was a Saudi national who recently moved to the United States. How a man with his past obtained a green card from the State Department is another interesting question, and more on that momentarily.
Secondly, he was not a journalist. At least not in any conventional sense of the word.
Journalists have a beat. Journalists are accredited and cover news stories, from the local police blotter to the White House. Khashoggi was a newly minted U.S.-based commentator, an opinion piece writer, after having spent much of his life as a subject about which journalists write (he was a friend of the Osama bin Laden family and an activist for a decidedly dark cause). To call him a journalist would be just a wrong as calling me a journalist on account of the opinion pieces I write.
So, ask yourself, why does the mainstream media complex almost exclusively refer to him as a journalist?
These may seem to be technical mistakes but when added to the hagiography and selective coverage of Khashoggi’s past now flooding the media, it is obvious this is no accident.
Take the U.S. newspaper where Khashoggi had published his commentary, the Washington Post. With a straight face its employees have lavished praise on the missing Saudi national, lauding him as a champion of free speech and democracy.
“Free speech” and “democracy?” This is a man who was a fully paid up member of the Muslim Brotherhood, the ideological mothership that gave us Hamas, al-Qaeda, and, eventually, the Islamic State. He is the same man who, under the banner of his organization, DAWN (Democracy for the Arab World), was providing the glide path for Islamists to pervert and subvert any nascent structures of representative government in the Middle East. Shades of Orwell and 1984’s “War is Peace” Newspeak. But this time it’s “Democracy is Salafist Theocracy.”
I'm always suspicious when the left rallies around a "martyr".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostWhat are you talking about. He commanded a hurricane not to hit America...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt wasn't an American journalist; it was a Saudi journalist who resided here because it wasn't safe for him to stay in SA.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHere's some interesting commentary on this....
So what about Jamal Khashoggi? Yes, it is now clear that Saudi Arabian man was murdered. But what are the facts of his death and do they matter to you? Or to America?
First things first. It is important to understand that Khashoggi—whose name the mainstream media seems to be having such difficulty pronouncing, even though no one had any difficulty for decades with his uncle Adnan Khashoggi, the late billionaire arms dealer—was neither an American nor was he strictly speaking a journalist.
Khashoggi was a Saudi national who recently moved to the United States. How a man with his past obtained a green card from the State Department is another interesting question, and more on that momentarily.
Secondly, he was not a journalist. At least not in any conventional sense of the word.
Journalists have a beat. Journalists are accredited and cover news stories, from the local police blotter to the White House. Khashoggi was a newly minted U.S.-based commentator, an opinion piece writer, after having spent much of his life as a subject about which journalists write (he was a friend of the Osama bin Laden family and an activist for a decidedly dark cause). To call him a journalist would be just a wrong as calling me a journalist on account of the opinion pieces I write.
So, ask yourself, why does the mainstream media complex almost exclusively refer to him as a journalist?
These may seem to be technical mistakes but when added to the hagiography and selective coverage of Khashoggi’s past now flooding the media, it is obvious this is no accident.
Take the U.S. newspaper where Khashoggi had published his commentary, the Washington Post. With a straight face its employees have lavished praise on the missing Saudi national, lauding him as a champion of free speech and democracy.
“Free speech” and “democracy?” This is a man who was a fully paid up member of the Muslim Brotherhood, the ideological mothership that gave us Hamas, al-Qaeda, and, eventually, the Islamic State. He is the same man who, under the banner of his organization, DAWN (Democracy for the Arab World), was providing the glide path for Islamists to pervert and subvert any nascent structures of representative government in the Middle East. Shades of Orwell and 1984’s “War is Peace” Newspeak. But this time it’s “Democracy is Salafist Theocracy.”
I'm always suspicious when the left rallies around a "martyr".
Without being an expert on him I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postof course. The Saudi's should put the prince in prison if they want serve justice and to have good relations with the rest of the world and the USA.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostTo be honest I'm suspicious of this whisper campaign against him.
It's usually part and parcel of new agencies who warn of 'endangering' the 100 billion dollar arms deal. So color me skeptical as well. Other places like Times of Israel are making the claim that he was a reformer, and did good work.
Without being an expert on him I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm always suspicious when the left rallies around a "martyr".
https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-ar...mal-khashoggi/
(emphasis added)Last edited by Leonhard; 10-22-2018, 11:57 AM.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostHere's what Times of Israel wrote in response https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-ar...mal-khashoggi/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-ar...mal-khashoggi/
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostHere's what Times of Israel wrote in response https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-ar...mal-khashoggi/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-ar...mal-khashoggi/
(emphasis added)
Btw, I think the Saudis changed their opinion about the group when they were instrumental in overthrowing Hosni Mubarak in Egypt not wanting to see such revolutions spread -- especially to Saudi ArabiaLast edited by rogue06; 10-22-2018, 05:04 PM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIt wasn't an American journalist; it was a Saudi journalist who resided here because it wasn't safe for him to stay in SA.
https://qz.com/1428499/jamal-khashog...-constitution/“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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