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Originally posted by Sparko View Post70% of Australians are religious. I think you are jumping the gun.
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]
What people may write on the Census Form is not borne out by regular church attendance...churches are virtually empty on Sundays and many are being sold off.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...30f0097eae8cd0“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's nice. Erdogan is such a nice man.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostAnd the Mike Flynn kidnapping for money plot?? Just when you think the Trump administration has reached bottom, it goes even lower.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI hear today that Trump wants to find a way to give US based cleric Fethullah Gulen to Erdogan so that Erdogan will stop banging on about Khashoggi and embarrassing the murderous MbS. This is how tyrants cooperate.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI hadn't heard about this, but a nice big headline on Yahoo this morning was about Trump saying that Gulen's return was off the table.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIt was NBC News on Thursday. I see that CP’s denying involvement, like Trump!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostIt was NBC News on Thursday. I see that CP’s denying involvement, like Trump!Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post“The growing percentage of Australia’s population reporting no religion has been a trend for decades, and is accelerating. 2016 Census data reveals “no religion” is rising fast...with Christianity remaining the most common religion (52 per cent of the population).”
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/[email protected]
What people may write on the Census Form is not borne out by regular church attendance...churches are virtually empty on Sundays and many are being sold off.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...30f0097eae8cd0
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostStill, 70% claiming to be religious is nothing close to being "irrelevant" as you claimed.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostUh it's kind of irrelevant, being that most christians are christian in name only and if you ask they either don't know, or don't believe, half of what's in the bible.
The way the survey was worded it asked if they were religious or not. Not if they were Christian or not. 70% said they were religious. Which means they believe in God, whether they go to church or not. 50+% identified as Christian. There are other religions than Christianity. Tassy was claiming that religion is irrelevant in Australia. 70% says he is wrong.
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You will hear it said that he is innocent until proven guilty but if that person is actually guilty then it is not true that he is innocent unless proven otherwise. What is really meant is that during a trial, the burden of proof in on the prosecution and not on the accused to prove his innocence. There is no presumption of innocence before a trial because no one then would be indicted.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostYou will hear it said that he is innocent until proven guilty but if that person is actually guilty then it is not true that he is innocent unless proven otherwise.
What is really meant is that during a trial, the burden of proof in on the prosecution and not on the accused to prove his innocence.
There is no presumption of innocence before a trial because no one then would be indicted.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut you don't know that he's guilty until there's a trial. You're getting the apples before the oranges.
No, that's not true -- there has to be a foundation for the accusation, commonly referred to as "probable cause". The person is not arrested because he is guilty - he's arrested because it is SUSPECTED that he is guilty.
Notice how I don’t glare back.Last edited by firstfloor; 11-20-2018, 02:29 AM.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI don’t think guilt has anything to do with knowledge of guilt.
It just means that a person has performed some action or caused an event that is a criminal offence.
Ignorance of the law and the absence of witnesses makes no difference.
If there is a foundation for an accusation then the person is not presumed to be innocent.
He might be innocent but he does not get to trial unless there is evidence against him.
Notice how I don’t glare back.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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