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[Tassman]

Are you saying that David Duke, the former KKK grand wizard, did NOT endorse Trump? We know he did.

Are you saying that Trump did NOT say there were "fine people" in the Charlottesville's deadly torchlight rally that chanted "Jews will not replace us". Again, we know he did.

And now Trump declares himself a "Nationalist" when he clearly knows the word is loaded; it’s a word which has been prominently used by white supremacists. "It’s preposterous to think that Trump didn’t know about white supremacist groups or their sometimes violent support of him".

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0d38b587cd44a

[rogue06]

Are you saying that David Duke, the former KKK grand wizard, did NOT endorse Trump? We know he did.

Considering that everyone is well aware that Trump denounced his endorsement multiple times maybe we can move on to wondering why Hillary Clinton never denounced the Communist Party's endorsement of her. You know, the group responsible for more deaths in a month than the KKK is in over a century.

[Tassman]

Considering that everyone is well aware that Trump denounced his endorsement multiple times

Not so. Everyone is well aware that Trump has been ambivalent on White Supremacists in general and David Duke in particular.

"Trump is quick to condemn—in specific and harsh terms—anyone he doesn’t like. He’s blunt, he’s direct, and he’s politically incorrect.

So it was striking on Saturday when Trump refused to denounce the white supremacists and neo-Nazis whose public rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, led to violence. The racists marched the streets hauling Nazi flags and torches, chanting, “you will not replace us” and “blood and soil.” They taunted counter-protesters and innocent passers-by.

And yet when their aggressive behavior triggered riots and violence in the streets of the quiet college town, the president declined to condemn them. What he offered instead was a cowardly, irresolute, passive statement criticizing the generic intolerance of unnamed groups".

"Trump didn’t offer an unequivocal condemnation. He didn’t offer condemnation at all. Instead, he responded with a jumble of half-truths, misdirections and Trumpian tropes meant to avoid any such condemnation."

https://www.weeklystandard.com/steph...e-supremacists

[Roy]

Considering that everyone is well aware that Trump denounced his endorsement multiple times maybe we can move on to wondering why Hillary Clinton never denounced the Communist Party's endorsement of her. You know, the group responsible for more deaths in a month than the KKK is in over a century.

AFAICT they didn't endorse her, and even if they had it would be the CPUSA endorsing here, not the Russian or Chinese communists.

[firstfloor]

Not so. Everyone is well aware that Trump has been ambivalent on White Supremacists in general and David Duke in particular.

"Trump is quick to condemn—in specific and harsh terms—anyone he doesn’t like. He’s blunt, he’s direct, and he’s politically incorrect.

So it was striking on Saturday when Trump refused to denounce the white supremacists and neo-Nazis whose public rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, led to violence. The racists marched the streets hauling Nazi flags and torches, chanting,“you will not replace us” and “blood and soil.” They taunted counter-protesters and innocent passers-by.

And yet when their aggressive behavior triggered riots and violence in the streets of the quiet college town, the president declined to condemn them. What he offered instead was a cowardly, irresolute, passive statement criticizing the generic intolerance of unnamed groups".

"Trump didn’t offer an unequivocal condemnation. He didn’t offer condemnation at all. Instead, he responded with a jumble of half-truths, misdirections and Trumpian tropes meant to avoid any such condemnation."

https://www.weeklystandard.com/steph...e-supremacists

The chant has been reported as “Jews will not replace us.” In WashPo for one.

[One Bad Pig]

AFAICT they didn't endorse her, and even if they had it would be the CPUSA endorsing here, not the Russian or Chinese communists.

The CPUSA chairman backed Hillary. That it wasn't Russian or Chinese communists is wholly immaterial.

[Sparko]

Are you saying that David Duke, the former KKK grand wizard, did NOT endorse Trump? We know he did.

Are you saying that Trump did NOT say there were "fine people" in the Charlottesville's deadly torchlight rally that chanted "Jews will not replace us". Again, we know he did.

And now Trump declares himself a "Nationalist" when he clearly knows the word is loaded; it’s a word which has been prominently used by white supremacists. "It’s preposterous to think that Trump didn’t know about white supremacist groups or their sometimes violent support of him".

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0d38b587cd44a

1. Who cares who David Duke likes or endorses? That has nothing to do with Trump's beliefs about Jews. No more than a racist black panther endorsing Hillary Clinton makes her hate whites.
2. There were fine people in Charlottesville. Many people were there who were not Nazi's or Antifa, but ordinary citizens who were caught in the middle of two extremist groups. Again, that has nothing to do with Trump's view of jews.

Calling Trump an anti-semite is the height of ridiculousness.

[Roy]

The CPUSA chairman backed Hillary. That it wasn't Russian or Chinese communists is wholly immaterial.

It is material if you then mention the acts of Russian and Chinese communists.

[Tassman]

1. Who cares who David Duke likes or endorses? That has nothing to do with Trump's beliefs about Jews.

The fact that White Nationalist David Duke the former KKK Grand Wizard, endorsed Trump indicates that he recognises in Trump similar values to his own White Nationalist values. Namely an ideology focusing on the alleged inferiority of nonwhites and often, but not necessarily, including Jews. Trump himself has recently declared that he’s a “Nationalist”, i.e. a ‘fellow traveller'.

No more than a racist black panther endorsing Hillary Clinton makes her hate whites.

What about Hillary Clinton, this is about Trump not Clinton.

2. There were fine people in Charlottesville. Many people were there who were not Nazi's or Antifa, but ordinary citizens who were caught in the middle of two extremist groups. Again, that has nothing to do with Trump's view of jews.

Trump claimed that there were “fine people on both sides”, i.e. the marching, chanting, torch-carrying White Supremacists and those opposed to them. Who among the white Supremacists were the “fine people”?

Calling Trump an anti-semite is the height of ridiculousness.

See above.

[JimL]

Can you give me sources and actual examples for your allegations of how Trump is playing to his anti-semite, racist constituency? More allegations is not proof of anything other than your twisted imagination.

Yeah, he called Lebron James, who is actually known to be extremely intelligent, dumb, Maxine Waters-low IQ, Andrew Gillim a thief, Stacy Abrams, a Yale grad and state congressional leader, unqualified to run, Don Lemmon, the dumbest anchor on tv news, and now, according to his ex lawyer, he suggested that the reason his rally crowds are so white is because "blacks are to stupid to vote for him. These are what are called dog whistles, you know, statements that individually he can get away with, but his racist base hears him loud and clear.

And Soros is a rich liberal wacko who has been caught instigating liberal violence and paying protestors to protest and riot. His religion has nothing to do with anything.

Okay, so now I'll ask you the same question. Can you give me actual examples for your allegations that Soros instigated liberal violence and paid protesters to riot? And btw, that Soros organized and funded the so called caravan of destitute migrants to invade the country is another dog whistle to anti-semites like the Pittsburg synagogue murderer, and he acted on it.

[One Bad Pig]

It is material if you then mention the acts of Russian and Chinese communists.

He mentioned the acts of communists in general, not Russians and Chinese. It is the same ideology. The CPUSA did have decades of support from Russia. In recent times, they have tended to support the Democratic candidate for President, recognizing that their candidate is highly unlikely to win and only going to bleed support from the Democrats, their least worst rival.

[Roy]

He mentioned the acts of communists in general, not Russians and Chinese.

He mentioned the acts of communists in general, clearly including the Russians and Chinese as others haven't done what he described, in relation to endorsement by a US organisation - and compared them to the acts of another US organisation rather than to white supremacists in general. It was biased, inconsistent and misleading.

In recent times, they have tended to support the Democratic candidate for President, recognizing that their candidate is highly unlikely to win and only going to bleed support from the Democrats, their least worst rival.

While Nazis and neo-Nazis tend to support Republicans for the same reason. But rogue only mentioned the atrocities of the KKK, and ignored the much greater atrocities internationally - unlike what he did for communists.

[NorrinRadd]

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Trump claimed that there were “fine people on both sides”, i.e. the marching, chanting, torch-carrying White Supremacists and those opposed to them. ...

How soon after the events did he make that remark?

[rogue06]

AFAICT they didn't endorse her

Wrong.

While most of the CPUSA membership initially backed Sanders they have jumped on the Clinton bandwagon as Party spokesman Sam Webb made clear as far back as last February:

If elected president she will build on the achievements of Obama’s presidency. In other words, her White House will press for economic, social, and political reforms on a range of issues, including existentially necessary action on climate change. This will be especially so if the progressive and popular base of the coalition that elects her, assuming for the moment that she is the nominee, remains engaged in the post-election period. That wasn’t the case in the Obama years, at least on the scale necessary to successfully combat Republican obstructionism.

Even Hillary’s foreign policy, while likely more aggressive and military-inclined than Obama’s, also has a place for diplomacy, global cooperation, and realism – a far cry from any of the trigger-happy Republican candidates who believe there are no limits to the projection of U.S. power in a complex, fractured, and violent world.

Finally, the election of Hillary will break perhaps the biggest glass ceiling for women. While we can’t really know how great its symbolic significance will be, it is safe to say that it will be large and lasting on men as well as girls and women. Moreover, as president, Hillary will certainly do what she has long done – shine a light on women’s concerns, ranging from wage and job discrimination, to health care, abortion, and birth control rights, to rape and domestic violence, to child care and parental leave. But she will do it on the largest public stage and with a far bigger voice.

CPUSA National Chairman John Bachtell has been going around trying to rally the troops for Hillary telling his fellow communists not to waste their vote on Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

Interestingly, while Trump has denounced support from the Klan, nobody in the MSM appears to have asked Hillary to distance herself from the Communists. According to the Daily Caller when Bachtell first started trumpeting his support for Hillary in the summer of 2016:

Source: Communist Party USA Chairman Voting for Hillary Despite Backing Bernie In Primary

Democratic National Committee vice-chair and CNN analyst Donna Brazile declined this morning to disassociate her party from the party endorsement of its expected standardbearer.

Brazile, an ardent Hillary apologist, said she was “not aware” of the matter. Although a Democratic Party official herself, she told me to call the DNC for an “official response.”

The DNC press office was radio silent. Ditto for Brazile after being emailed the U.S. News piece so she could be fully aware.


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and even if they had it would be the CPUSA endorsing here, not the Russian or Chinese communists.

The CPUSA got its funding and directives from the Soviet Union for many decades but moreover Duke never lynched anyone nor has the group he founded yet since he is part of the KKK in general he is still held to account for their behavior. Fair is fair, right?

[rogue06]

The fact that White Nationalist David Duke the former KKK Grand Wizard, endorsed Trump indicates that he recognises in Trump similar values to his own White Nationalist values. Namely an ideology focusing on the alleged inferiority of nonwhites and often, but not necessarily, including Jews.

The Loyal White Knights, a branch of the KKK, endorsed your hero Hillary. Their Grand Dragon Will Quigg has announced his support for her several times. I guess that this indicates that he recognizes in Hillary similar values to his own White Nationalist values. Namely an ideology focusing on the alleged inferiority of nonwhites and often, but not necessarily, including Jews -- a group that she has launched into profanity-laced tirades about that would make Mel Gibson proud.