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  • Originally posted by seer View Post
    Jim, that is not what the Founders believed, they believed in an actual God that was the giver or rights and duties. So how is that "secular?"
    No, they did not all believe in God, and they certainly weren't all christians. Many of them were believers, but so what, they were sure to separate what people chose to believe from any government interference. You apparently want a theocracy seer, but that's actually an impossibility, God, if he exists at all, apparently isn't interested.

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    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
      No, they did not all believe in God, and they certainly weren't all christians. Many of them were believers, but so what, they were sure to separate what people chose to believe from any government interference. You apparently want a theocracy seer, but that's actually an impossibility, God, if he exists at all, apparently isn't interested.
      The majority were Christian, and those who weren't still believed that our rights and duties were God given. That is not a secular doctrine Jim, our founding document was not secular in nature. No matter how you protest that is a fact.
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post
        The majority were Christian, and those who weren't still believed that our rights and duties were God given. That is not a secular doctrine Jim, our founding document was not secular in nature. No matter how you protest that is a fact.
        Wrong, the Constitution is completely secular "WE the people".

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        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
          Wrong, the Constitution is completely secular "WE the people".
          Jim, the Constitution does not address the source of our rights, that was ALREADY established in the Declaration.
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • Originally posted by seer View Post
            Jim, the Constitution does not address the source of our rights, that was ALREADY established in the Declaration.
            The primary figure who drafted the Declaration, Thomas Jefferson, did not view God in any traditional sense: “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. … But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding…. “ And John Adams wrote: “The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” The text of the U.S. Constitution makes no mention of God, Jesus Christ, or Christianity. Any reference to God by the early Founding Fathers was more akin to Deism, which was popular at the time, than the Christian understanding of God...i.e. the belief in God as the creator of all things, but not as a miracle worker or one that answers to prayer.
            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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            • The latest...


              Fury over rare white lion being auctioned off 'to be shot by trophy hunters'

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • That sucks!
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • I wonder how much Donald Trump Jr. bid?

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                  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    I wonder how much Donald Trump Jr. bid?
                    At least a thousand times as much as he offered yo momma smiley rimshot.gif

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                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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