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  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    Yes, it seems that this is correct.



    Presumably this is instinctive behaviour, not 'reasoned' behaviour as such.
    so?

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    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      so?
      A wold baying to get a mate is instinctive, not 'reasoned' behaviour
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        A wold baying to get a mate is instinctive, not 'reasoned' behaviour
        I never brought up a wolf baying at the moon, you did. I just said a wolf doesn't even pay attention to the moon because it understands that it is not food and not close enough to attack.


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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          I never brought up a wolf baying at the moon, you did. I just said a wolf doesn't even pay attention to the moon because it understands that it is not food and not close enough to attack.
          Whether it is a wolf baying at the moon or baying for a mate, it is instinctive, not 'reasoned' behaviour
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • Aren't all ideas and construct that exist today come from the mind? A building first was implanted into something that came from the non physical. If it didn't then the building we think of would just pop out into existence. Does that mean now it's a metaphysical thing?

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            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
              Whether it is a wolf baying at the moon or baying for a mate, it is instinctive, not 'reasoned' behaviour
              I already said it was for communication. They howl to let other wolves know where they are, that prey is nearby, that this is their territory, etc.

              We were discussing whether seeing something was "awareness" or did there have to have some reasoning in order to be "aware" or observe something. You are the one who went off on wolf calls and baying at the moon.

              Why wolves howl has nothing to do with observing something or being aware of what they observe.

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              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                I already said it was for communication. They howl to let other wolves know where they are, that prey is nearby, that this is their territory, etc.

                We were discussing whether seeing something was "awareness" or did there have to have some reasoning in order to be "aware" or observe something. You are the one who went off on wolf calls and baying at the moon.

                Why wolves howl has nothing to do with observing something or being aware of what they observe.
                The point throughout has been that creatures cannot react or reason about anything unless they are aware it exists. Awareness comes first, you have not demonstrated otherwise.
                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  The point throughout has been that creatures cannot react or reason about anything unless they are aware it exists. Awareness comes first, you have not demonstrated otherwise.


                  No Tassman, the argument is that in a logical argument, reasoning comes first, and awareness requires reasoning. You can't even seem to keep up with your own argument.

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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    No Tassman, the argument is that in a logical argument, reasoning comes first, and awareness requires reasoning. You can't even seem to keep up with your own argument.
                    Nope! In a logical argument the premise/awareness comes first followed by the reasoning.
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      Nope! In a logical argument the premise/awareness comes first followed by the reasoning.
                      You are such a dumbass.

                      In your case you might be right, because reasoning doesn't seem to factor into any of your arguments at all.

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                      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        You are such a dumbass.

                        In your case you might be right, because reasoning doesn't seem to factor into any of your arguments at all.
                        I think we can read that as: "In your case you might be right".
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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