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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI have said before, I don't think anyone should be hassled in their private life, even in public, like eating out or going to a theater. If you want to complain to your politician, either organize a legal protest with permits and such, or write them letters, or protest at their place of work.
Here we have a heckler disrupting McConnell's dinner, and other patrons telling him to stop. Yes that is common sense. I would do the same if someone was heckling a democrat in a restaurant. It is not only rude, but it is actually illegal to harass someone in public like that. It is disturbing the peace and verbal assault.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostEven in the street is wrong unless it is a properly permitted protest march. You can't just hassle people walking down the street. If you tried that with me I would call the police on you and have you arrested.
As for "hassling people walking down the street," here there is a fairly fine line. If you are not touching the person, and are simply expressing a point of view about their positions, and they are a public figure, you are not in transgression of the law. You might be in transgression of simple human decency, depending on how you are expressing yourself. But "verbal assault" is typically related to conveying a threat of bodily harm.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostAgain, disturbing the peace and harassment.
If you're a public person, you had better get used to public feedback. I don't agree with the harass them at every turn - but I have no problem with people picketing peacefully outside an elected official's home - or office - or along the route they use to drive between the two - or in a public park, etc.
At some point, Sparko, you cross into the "can't express disagreement" space that so many colleges are flirting with.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI said that the liberals were complaining about Trump winning the election and not accepting the results. You tried to nitpick your way out by saying "well not ALL liberals did that" and trying to change the topic.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe liberals and democrats in general, as a group, have been doing everything they can to claim the election was illegitimate.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhile there might be some democrats who have not, as a group they have. It's been going on for two years now. From Waters screaming "Impeach 45" and encouraging harassing people on the street, to a liberal shooting at republicans at a baseball game, to antifa beating on republicans and burning cars and trying to stop conservatives from speaking, to the widespread complaint about the popular vote vs the electoral vote, to some representatives actually trying to start impeachment papers on Trump, to forcing an investigation of Trump's campaign.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd once again, it seems that the Democrats are trying to accuse Trump of not accepting the election results if they turn against him. HA!The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSaying something comes from a playbook doesn't mean that there is a concerted effort by every single person but rather it is a tactic that is employed. It was employed in 2000 and much more widely in 2016The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostApparently carpe thinks there is an actual Democrat party playbook that guides their every decision.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThen we are apparently in agreement. I'll take you at your word.
We are guaranteed the right to peaceful assembly. A permit is only required if the protest is going to impede public rights of way, or occupy spaces normally considered off-limits to human traffic (e.g., the median of a highway). That is the way that the law balances the right of peaceful assembly with the right of those NOT involved to go about their business.
As for "hassling people walking down the street," here there is a fairly fine line. If you are not touching the person, and are simply expressing a point of view about their positions, and they are a public figure, you are not in transgression of the law. You might be in transgression of simple human decency, depending on how you are expressing yourself. But "verbal assault" is typically related to conveying a threat of bodily harm.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo then I assume you would be comfortable with the observation that the Republican playbook is to make every effort to suppress the votes of liberals and Democrats using a variety of techniques: purging voter roles, eliminating specific IDs primarily used by the poor and minority communities, adding VoterID requirements proximate to an election cycle, etc.)? And then there is the flood of "hard-hitting" attack ads hitting the airwaves that just contain one lie after another - which is another common element from the "Republican Playbook" (although that one seems to arise from both sides - the Republican leadership and marketing people just do it better.)
1. Repeatedly asked what role undocumented immigrants will be playing in the midterms if they are not legal voters has only garnered silence from Abrams
2. The ever compliant MSM that reports on this "outrage" regularly seems to leave out the point that all the person with an incomplete registration has to do is show up with a photo ID at the polls (something they are already required to do) and they can vote. And since Georgia gives out such IDs for free if you say you can't afford one and they will even come out to where you live and issue you a free one if you claim it is too inconvenient to go to one of the score of places in each county (and Georgia has a lot of counties none of which geographically speaking is very large) where they're issued, there is no legitimate excuse for not having one.
It should be noted that other Democrat candidates who ran for Governor but didn't win the party's nomination also questioned Abram's group noting that in 2014 something like a quarter of those they registered then turned out to be fraudulent.Last edited by rogue06; 10-22-2018, 02:25 PM.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIf this article is even close to true, it is scary indeed. That a president of the United States would so little respect our democratic process to attempt to intentionally sow discord and confusion if his party loses would be abysmal. Unfortunately, Bernstein has a pretty solid track record of nonpartisan digging and finding the facts. So the probability that this is true is fairly significant, IMO. The only thing that might stop it is if the pre-election anticipation of this tactic is so widespread and strong, that Trump doesn't actually dare pull the trigger.
I will be so happy when this lying, manipulative, hate-fostering, vile man is gone from this office. 2020 cannot come soon enough.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postgee. Thanks?
Originally posted by Sparko View Posthow is that a peaceful assembly when they are yelling and screaming at someone trying to walk down the street?
Originally posted by Sparko View PostHow is that NOT impeding the public right of way?
Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt is disturbing the peace, creating a nuisance, harassment, verbal assault, threatening behavior.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostEnforcing the laws ought not be thought of as anyone's "playbook." Here in Georgia we have a Democrat candidate for Governor saying that the hoped for blue wave of Democrats is "comprised of those who are documented and undocumented" which I think it is fair to say is an attempt at encouraging illegal voting from non-citizens[1]. And liberals have gone apoplectic with rage that a sudden last minute dump of voter registrations are being questioned because they are missing addresses and social security numbers (or the latter doesn't match up with the person named -- often by several numbers)[2]
1. Repeatedly asked what role undocumented immigrants will be playing in the midterms if they are not legal voters has only garnered silence from Abrams
2. The ever compliant MSM that reports on this "outrage" regularly seems to leave out the point that all the person with an incomplete registration has to do is show up with a photo ID at the polls (something they are already required to do) and they can vote. And since Georgia gives out such IDs for free if you say you can't afford one and they will even come out to where you live and issue you a free one if you claim it is too inconvenient to go to one of the score of places in each county (and Georgia has a lot of counties none of which geographically speaking is very large) where they're issued, there is no legitimate excuse for not having one.
It should be noted that other Democrat candidates who ran for Governor but didn't win the party's nomination also questioned Abram's group noting that in 2014 something like a quarter of those they registered then turned out to be fraudulent.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostActually - it has not garnered silence. Abrams pretty clearly rejected the claim that her statement called for undocumented votes. Unfortunately, that doesn't play well, and the Republican candidate would rather keep pushing forward the false narrative in his ads and arguments - because it rallies the base. After all - those nasty old immigrants are taking over our country!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBy "clearly rejecting the claim", you mean the part in the video where she simply says that her words were taken out of context? That's a "clear rejection"?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYes - plus this little quote: "I am a lawyer by training and I have fought for voting rights and I have never in my life suggested that anyone's who not legally registered should be allowed to cast a ballot,"The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's in the video? (yeah, I skimmed it)The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIt is quoted in the article.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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