The Simplicity of the Gospel in One Word

[FarEastBird]

Wrong. Our salvation hangs on trusting in Christ, not on understanding Him.

Sincerely, Jedidiah, do you really believe that every one who trusts in Christ are saved? The Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, the Catholics, Arminians, Calvinists, Presbyterians, and also those who follow the likes of Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, etc? There are sure ardent followers of these beliefs and preachers, and they sincerely trust in Christ, but whoever is deceived is not saved.

And here is good word from apostle Paul:

1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. Rom 10:1-

Jesus himself said: "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." If one does not know the truth, he cannot be set free from the bondage of sin. One cannot submit to the righteousness of good if s/he is still under the bondage of sin.

John said, "5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." (1John 3:5-6) While Paul said, "1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Rom 6:1-2

You probably do not understand what John and Paul was talking about.

[Catholicity]

Immanuel


(Why is my good word apparently different from FarEastBirds?)

I like that summary.

[footwasher]

Have to agree that it's easy to misunderstand the information without help from God.

We think salvation is rescue from hell, but truly, salvation is gifting towards becoming a blessing to the world. Ananias, Sapphira, SimonMagus, tried to receive gifts for their own worldly goals.

We think faith is trusting in Jesus to rescue from hell, but really, faith is acting with loyalty to Jesus, and not doing anything that shows our loyalty is still with the world, in order to be chosen for ministry. The above people showed where their loyalty was.

It is only with these right understanding will we truly become that blessing to the world.

Understood these views with God's help.

Like 11: 5Then He said to them, “Suppose one of you has a friend, and goes to him at midnight and says to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6for a friend of mine has come to me from a journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7and from inside he answers and says, ‘Do not bother me; the door has already been shut and my children and I are in bed; I cannot get up and give you anything.’ 8“I tell you, even though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will get up and give him as much as he needs.

******9“So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10“For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. 11“Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? 12“Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? 13“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

[Teallaura]

Jesus

^ Yeah, that!

[FarEastBird]

Have to agree that it's easy to misunderstand the information without help from God.

We think salvation is rescue from hell, but truly, salvation is gifting towards becoming a blessing to the world. ”

You have spoken far far better truth that what others have said. They think that because God is with them, they can behave in such manners. But, very true, our actions should be weight towards making other people better, than merely showing "I am holier than thou" attitude.

[Cow Poke]

You have spoken far far better truth that what others have said. They think that because God is with them, they can behave in such manners. But, very true, our actions should be weight towards making other people better, than merely showing "I am holier than thou" attitude.

Then why do you display such a "holier than thou" attitude? I guess it's OK because you do it with ZERO humor, eh?

[Jedidiah]

Sincerely, Jedidiah, do you really believe that every one who trusts in Christ are saved? The Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, the Catholics, Arminians, Calvinists, Presbyterians, and also those who follow the likes of Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, etc? There are sure ardent followers of these beliefs and preachers, and they sincerely trust in Christ, but whoever is deceived is not saved.

I suspect that there will be Mormons, JWs etc. in heaven. One is not saved by being a member of the right group.

There is certainly a level of knowledge involved in trusting Christ. A Mormon who is trusting in Mormon dogma to save him is lost. A Mormon who is truly trusting Christ while being a member of a Mormon congregation is not. Every action or thought takes some knowledge, but we are not saved by the knowledge. Satan and the demons know who Christ is. Are they saved? No indeed.

Oh, and I understand what Paul was saying, but it seems that I understand differently than do you.

[FarEastBird]

I suspect that there will be Mormons, JWs etc. in heaven. One is not saved by being a member of the right group.

There is certainly a level of knowledge involved in trusting Christ. A Mormon who is trusting in Mormon dogma to save him is lost. A Mormon who is truly trusting Christ while being a member of a Mormon congregation is not. Every action or thought takes some knowledge, but we are not saved by the knowledge. Satan and the demons know who Christ is. Are they saved? No indeed.

Oh, and I understand what Paul was saying, but it seems that I understand differently than do you.

If you will convince me that the Pope, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Mormon pastors, and Jehovah's Witnesses elders, among others, does not truly trust in Christ, then I would say that your judgment is clouded. Most, if not all, truly trust in Christ, and that their beliefs are what they follow, and that it will save them. It seems obvious to me that you are not making a sound judgment.


For sure, you have a rule, or guideline, for what "trusting in Christ" implies that every believer should know and believe by heart. If not you would end up unto a church, or congregation, of confused people.

Do you think a person will trust his life unto Christ without any reason? There must be a reason. And regardless what reason that is, it thus represent the persons belief; and by those beliefs we judge if it meets the proper trusting in Jesus.

[Jedidiah]

If you will convince me that the Pope, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Mormon pastors, and Jehovah's Witnesses elders, among others, does not truly trust in Christ, then I would say that your judgment is clouded. Most, if not all, truly trust in Christ, and that their beliefs are what they follow, and that it will save them. It seems obvious to me that you are not making a sound judgment.


For sure, you have a rule, or guideline, for what "trusting in Christ" implies that every believer should know and believe by heart. If not you would end up unto a church, or congregation, of confused people.

Do you think a person will trust his life unto Christ without any reason? There must be a reason. And regardless what reason that is, it thus represent the persons belief; and by those beliefs we judge if it meets the proper trusting in Jesus.

I will leave all that stuff to the Almighty God. He knows, I do not.

[FarEastBird]

I will leave all that stuff to the Almighty God. He knows, I do not.

Very well said.

Let me tell you then that you have no authority to give light of the knowledge of God.

... put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Col 3:10

21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; Eph 4:21-23

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Eph 4:11-14

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1Cor 2:16

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1Cor 6:2

Sincerely, take into heart what the above verses says.

[Teallaura]

Don't have a clue what Paul means by 'saints', do you?

[FarEastBird]

Don't have a clue what Paul means by 'saints', do you?

If you have no ability to judge the world, you, surely, are not one of the saints.

[Teallaura]

Um, is English not your native language? That might explain the inappropriate use of the Pauline verse - and the incoherent statement above.

Seriously, what?

[Pentecost]

What do you mean by the word "Gospel?" And how does "God with us" or "With us is God" an end result of the Gospel received as you are expressing it in this way? Give an explanation. And what was FarEastBirds' word?

I use the word gospel synonomously with the phrase "good word" and I use it to refer to what Jesus sent His disciples to proclaim. As I understand it the primary purpose of human creation is the end goal of creating the bride of Christ per Rev 21 this is evidenced by everything else suffering the second death in Rev 20, along with multiple indications elsewhere that the "goal" includes a reconcilliation between God and man such as Ezekial 36:28. Us being His people and Him being our God sort of requires His prescence being with us as one might note from Ezekial 36:27.

I'm really unsure what FarEastBird thinks is the Gospel. I couldn't decipher it. http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...s-consequences

Even the pagan who's gospel is "God is Love" would agree with "God with us". Only he would hold to a different meaning than you do.

I agree, there is a lot that can be expanded on from wages of sin being death to living a holy life to the Incarnation; but those are historic Christian topics, I was contrasting against a similarly titled thread because it reminded me of Gnosticism and I wanted to draw a parallel.

If you will convince me that the Pope, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, Mormon pastors, and Jehovah's Witnesses elders, among others, does not truly trust in Christ, then I would say that your judgment is clouded. Most, if not all, truly trust in Christ, and that their beliefs are what they follow, and that it will save them. It seems obvious to me that you are not making a sound judgment.


For sure, you have a rule, or guideline, for what "trusting in Christ" implies that every believer should know and believe by heart. If not you would end up unto a church, or congregation, of confused people.

Do you think a person will trust his life unto Christ without any reason? There must be a reason. And regardless what reason that is, it thus represent the persons belief; and by those beliefs we judge if it meets the proper trusting in Jesus.

The LDS church as a whole has recieved a false Christ same with JW, and Word of Faith teachers, you're right. But Jed makes the good point that individuals within those groups may be "crypto-orthodox" if you will accept such a term.

[Cow Poke]

If you have no ability to judge the world, you, surely, are not one of the saints.

More of that "holier than thou" attitude.