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Just a note from the rules for this forum.... emphasis mine.
This forum is primarily for Christians to discuss matters of Christian doctrine, and is not the area for debate between atheists (or those opposing orthodox Christianity) and Christians. Inquiring atheists (or sincere seekers/doubters/unorthodox) seeking only Christian participation and having demonstrated a manner that does not seek to undermine the orthodox Christian faith of others are also welcome, but must seek Moderator permission first.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostThoughts, discussion...?
For you are not a God who is pleased with wickedness; with you, evil people are not welcome.The arrogant cannot stand in your presence.You hate all who do wrong; you destroy those who tell lies.
So it seems that God hates, so hate can be good...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe real problem is I see that happening more and more. It's very ... bizarre*. Mainly because the way the conversation goes on the Christian side just has no resemblence whatsoever to what is spoken about these sorts of things on the sermon on the mount or other passages of the new testament. If your enemy wants your coat, give him your cloak also.
The second part of this problem is that, as I mentioned in an earlier post today, is that the government is extremely inefficient at getting money allotted to a problem to actually go to doing anything to solve said problem. First there has to be an expensive bureaucracy set up, headed by wealthy politicians. Their first step will be to fund an expensive study. A relatively small share of the original funds allotted will ultimately be spent on what, in the opinions of a few wealthy politicians, will help to make the problem situation better.
Past experience tells me that little, if any, actual improvement will take place.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThe real problem I see is that Christians (who are the most giving people in the USA) see giving as a personal action. Liberals on the other hand want to take money from tax payers to help others. The Sermon on the Mount (and other passages) speak to individuals. In other words they are a guide to individual behavior of believers. Liberals want to somehow make these into political statements as opposed to behavioral guides.
Now, as a not-quite-liberal Christian, I can completely accept that Christians who only want to deal with matters of charity on an individual level are still being good Christians. Just, politically I don't believe it's the best policy. (Although I would be more in favor of taxing institutions/property over individuals, particularly those that don't provide useful services)
Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThe second part of this problem is that, as I mentioned in an earlier post today, is that the government is extremely inefficient at getting money allotted to a problem to actually go to doing anything to solve said problem. First there has to be an expensive bureaucracy set up, headed by wealthy politicians. Their first step will be to fund an expensive study. A relatively small share of the original funds allotted will ultimately be spent on what, in the opinions of a few wealthy politicians, will help to make the problem situation better.
Past experience tells me that little, if any, actual improvement will take place.
As for hate, I hate pedophiles, prostitution, surrogacy, unnatural means of producing children, liars and hypocrites. I'm ok with being hateful on many issues.
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I have an issue in general with identifying negative statements of one's ideological opponents as 'hate'. Unless someone is explicitly using the word or a near synonym to describe their own feelings, it's a chancy business identifying anything as such solely through the medium of the typed word.
Then again, with carpe in particular, I often take issue with his use of words (to the point where I mostly don't bother discoursing with him because it's like we're using two different languages to communicate).Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI have an issue in general with identifying negative statements of one's ideological opponents as 'hate'. Unless someone is explicitly using the word or a near synonym to describe their own feelings, it's a chancy business identifying anything as such solely through the medium of the typed word.
Then again, with carpe in particular, I often take issue with his use of words (to the point where I mostly don't bother discoursing with him because it's like we're using two different languages to communicate).The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI think one of the most striking things that the Bible says (not just on this subject, but in general) is that God doesn't just hate pride; He actually hates the proud. This is a tough one for me.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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