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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Just to show it is not a one sided thing...

    Conservatives are acting all offended and upset about this:


    ‘SNL’ Mocks GOP Candidate Who Lost An Eye In Afghanistan
    “Saturday Night Live” cast member Pete Davidson mocked the appearance of Republican congressional candidate Dan Crenshaw, a former Navy SEAL who lost his eye in an IED blast in Afghanistan.

    “This guy is kind of cool — Dan Crenshaw,” began Davidson during a “Weekend Update” segment.

    A photo of Crenshaw, who wears an eyepatch, flashed on the screen, eliciting laughter from Davidson, his fellow cast members and the SNL audience.

    “You may be surprised to hear he’s a congressional candidate for Texas and not a hit-man in a porno movie,” continued Davidson, who’s known for his recently failed relationship with pop star Ariana Grande
    https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/04/s...-dan-crenshaw/


    1. I don't really find the joke funny. It was pretty stupid in fact. I would have made a pirate joke.
    2. It was a joke. If we conservatives are telling liberals to lighten up and not get upset about every little joke or comment, then we need to do the same and not be hypocrites.
    I didn't find this part funny or offensive either.

    I think the thing that most people are offended by (which was not quoted in this article) is when he goes on to say: “I’m sorry, I know he lost his eye in war, or whatever,” he added. “Whatever.”

    I listen to a sports talk show every morning getting ready for work and the hosts who are pretty middle of the road and they make fun of a LOT of things like this, but when they heard this part, they said: "WHATEVER??? Really? He said that?" The man is a injured war veteran."

    This site has the quote: https://fox8.com/2018/11/05/snls-pet...tan-ied-blast/
    "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

    "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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    • #17
      Originally posted by myth View Post
      To be honest though, I think our sense of humor develops as a coping mechanism. At some point, you're swimming in negativity and it's nice to find SOMETHING, ANYTHING to laugh about. But as that sense of humor takes hold, you begin to regard many taboo subjects as joke-worthy. And...then people think you're super screwed up in the head.
      This. I can laugh at any number of taboo subjects, and if a joke is funny enough I can ignore the insensitive parts. But there is a limit, and while it is a coping mechanism, it's not always a healthy one. But really, if someone makes a bad joke, I'd rather ignore them than go on the offensive.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
        This thread was prompted by the discussion in the Don Lemon thread, mostly this post:



        I don't think I've mentioned this on here, but I'll mention it here because I think it's relevant to what I'm trying to say: I'm actually on the autism spectrum. I also struggle with depression to varying degrees (sometimes pretty severely). All that to say this: I find humor in virtually anything; call it a coping mechanism. I will readily acknowledge that this is a character flaw and I ought not make light of everything, regardless of my excuse for it. Additionally, I often have trouble seeing why something is offensive to certain people, and vice versa. Sometimes I'll bounce a possible joke (for facebook or whatever) off my wife because, although I find it inoffensive, I sometimes genuinely cannot tell if other people won't. She's prevented me from commenting numerous times this way.

        All that to say this: I don't find the "plantation" joke offensive. If this is inappropriate of me (and it may well be), it's an example of my sinful tendency to joke about everything, not a sign that I'm racist. And yet in today's political climate, I fully expect the former explanation to be laughed off and dismissed, without any benefit of the doubt being given. (sometimes the "you should know if something is offensive" will not be applicable to me. Sorry, can't help it) This makes me afraid to speak up at times, because a joke or a question that I have could so easily be construed by someone as horribly offensive, when clueless little me over here didn't intend that at all and frankly can't even understand it.
        If you're going to start a thread about me, the least you can do is let me know it's here!
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
          This is not really a character flaw unless we all have the same flaw. Finding humor in painful or offensive matters is a quite common way for cops, ER people and many others. I did not read the thread, but it appears that Carp has jumped into another foolish extreme. In other words it ain't you, Zy.
          So true - the way you can know that an event is REALLY tragic is when First Responders DON'T joke or mock it -- like when a baby is killed in a car wreck....
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            Just to show it is not a one sided thing...

            Conservatives are acting all offended and upset about this:


            ‘SNL’ Mocks GOP Candidate Who Lost An Eye In Afghanistan
            “Saturday Night Live” cast member Pete Davidson mocked the appearance of Republican congressional candidate Dan Crenshaw, a former Navy SEAL who lost his eye in an IED blast in Afghanistan.

            “This guy is kind of cool — Dan Crenshaw,” began Davidson during a “Weekend Update” segment.

            A photo of Crenshaw, who wears an eyepatch, flashed on the screen, eliciting laughter from Davidson, his fellow cast members and the SNL audience.

            “You may be surprised to hear he’s a congressional candidate for Texas and not a hit-man in a porno movie,” continued Davidson, who’s known for his recently failed relationship with pop star Ariana Grande
            https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/04/s...-dan-crenshaw/


            1. I don't really find the joke funny. It was pretty stupid in fact. I would have made a pirate joke.
            2. It was a joke. If we conservatives are telling liberals to lighten up and not get upset about every little joke or comment, then we need to do the same and not be hypocrites.
            I thought the idiot doing the mocking was so goofus as not being worthy of... he was just showing what a moron he is.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              If you're going to start a thread about me, the least you can do is let me know it's here!
              CP there is a thread about you in civics.
              Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                CP there is a thread about you in civics.
                Just ONE!?!?!
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Just to show it is not a one sided thing...

                  Conservatives are acting all offended and upset about this:


                  ‘SNL’ Mocks GOP Candidate Who Lost An Eye In Afghanistan
                  “Saturday Night Live” cast member Pete Davidson mocked the appearance of Republican congressional candidate Dan Crenshaw, a former Navy SEAL who lost his eye in an IED blast in Afghanistan.

                  “This guy is kind of cool — Dan Crenshaw,” began Davidson during a “Weekend Update” segment.

                  A photo of Crenshaw, who wears an eyepatch, flashed on the screen, eliciting laughter from Davidson, his fellow cast members and the SNL audience.

                  “You may be surprised to hear he’s a congressional candidate for Texas and not a hit-man in a porno movie,” continued Davidson, who’s known for his recently failed relationship with pop star Ariana Grande
                  https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/04/s...-dan-crenshaw/


                  1. I don't really find the joke funny. It was pretty stupid in fact. I would have made a pirate joke.
                  2. It was a joke. If we conservatives are telling liberals to lighten up and not get upset about every little joke or comment, then we need to do the same and not be hypocrites.
                  ===
                  SNL had Crenshaw on and let him poke at Davidson.



                  https://www.lifezette.com/2018/11/pe...eam-up-on-snl/

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                  • #24
                    That's pretty cool of SNL. I didn't know they had it in them...
                    "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

                    "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      ===
                      SNL had Crenshaw on and let him poke at Davidson.



                      https://www.lifezette.com/2018/11/pe...eam-up-on-snl/
                      And Crenshaw appeared to be having fun, for real, and not in a mean-spirited way at all.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        And Crenshaw appeared to be having fun, for real, and not in a mean-spirited way at all.
                        like I said earlier, I didn't find the joke offensive in the first place. Just bad. Apparently Crenshaw felt the same. I didn't get the feeling that Davidson was mocking his service in the joke at all.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          like I said earlier, I didn't find the joke offensive in the first place. Just bad. Apparently Crenshaw felt the same. I didn't get the feeling that Davidson was mocking his service in the joke at all.
                          I had never seen Davidson before - I don't get him at all - he's like a very immature junior high boy doing an imitation of a gay man.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            I had never seen Davidson before - I don't get him at all - he's like a very immature junior high boy doing an imitation of a gay man.
                            me either. I haven't watched SNL in 20 years now.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              me either. I haven't watched SNL in 20 years now.
                              I was never really a fan, except for... was Dana Carvy part of that crew? I would catch him from time to time.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Crenshaw wrote a very nice opinion piece about the incident in the Washington post.

                                =======
                                SNL mocked my appearance. Here’s why I didn’t demand an apology.



                                Dan Crenshaw, a former Navy SEAL, is a Republican representative-elect from Texas.

                                The past couple of weeks have been unusual for me, to say the least. After a year of hard campaigning for Congress in Texas and gradually entering the public sphere, I was hit by a sudden, blinding spotlight. But I have no complaints — it wasn’t as bad as some other challenges I’ve faced, like a sudden, blinding IED explosion. (See what I did there? “Saturday Night Live” has created a comedic monster.)

                                On the Nov. 3 show, SNL’s Pete Davidson mocked my appearance — “he lost his eye in war . . . or whatever,” Davidson said, referring to the eye patch I wear. His line about my looking like a “hit man in a porno movie” was significantly less infuriating, albeit a little strange. I woke up on the Sunday morning after the show to hundreds of texts about what Davidson had said. A lot of America wasn’t happy. People thought some lines still shouldn’t be crossed.

                                I agreed. But I also could not help but note that this was another chapter in a phenomenon that has taken complete control of the national discourse: outrage culture. It seems like every not-so-carefully-worded public misstep must be punished to the fullest extent, replete with soapbox lectures and demands for apologies. Anyone who doesn’t show the expected level of outrage will be labeled a coward or an apologist for bad behavior. I get the feeling that regular, hard-working, generally unoffended Americans sigh with exhaustion — daily.[emphasis mine, sparko]

                                Was I really outraged by SNL? Really offended? Or did I just think the comment about losing my eye was offensive? There is a difference, after all. I have been literally shot at before, and I wasn’t outraged. Why start now?

                                So I didn’t demand an apology and I didn’t call for anyone to be fired. That doesn’t mean the “war . . . or whatever” line was acceptable, but I didn’t have to fan the flames of outrage, either. When SNL reached out with an apology and an offer to be on the show, I wasn’t fully sold on the idea. It was going to be Veterans Day weekend, after all, and I had events with veterans planned. I asked if another weekend might work. No, they said, precisely because it was Veterans Day, it would be the right time to send the right message. They assured me that we could use the opportunity to send a message of unity, forgiveness and appreciation for veterans. And to make fun of Pete Davidson, of course.

                                And that’s what we did. I was happy with how it worked out. But now what? Does it suddenly mean that the left and right will get along and live in utopian harmony? Maybe Saturday’s show made a tiny step in that direction, but I’m not naive. As a country, we still have a lot of work to do. We need to agree on some basic rules for civil discourse.

                                There are many ideas that we will never agree on. The left and the right have different ways of approaching governance, based on contrasting philosophies. But many of the ultimate goals — economic prosperity, better health care and education, etc. — are the same. We just don’t share the same vision of how to achieve them.

                                How, then, do we live together in this world of differing ideas? For starters, let’s agree that the ideas are fair game. If you think my idea is awful, you should say as much. But there is a difference between attacking an idea and attacking the person behind that idea. Labeling someone as an “-ist” who believes in an “-ism” because of the person’s policy preference is just a shortcut to playground-style name-calling, cloaked in political terminology. It’s also generally a good indication that the attacker doesn’t have a solid argument and needs a way to end debate before it has even begun.

                                Similarly, people too often attack not just an idea but also the supposed intent behind an idea. That raises the emotional level of the debate and might seem like it strengthens the attacker’s side, but it’s a terrible way to make a point. Assuming the worst about your opponents’ intentions has the effect of demonizing their ideas, removing the need for sound counter-reasoning and fact-based argument. That’s not a good environment for the exchange of ideas.

                                When all else fails, try asking for forgiveness, or granting it. On Saturday, Pete Davidson and SNL made amends. I had some fun. Everyone generally agreed that a veteran’s wounds aren’t fair game for comedy. Maybe now we should all try to work toward restoring civility to public debate.

                                https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.47e948ce3ae6

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