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  • #76
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer: ‘I thank you, God, that I am not like other people—cheaters, sinners, adulterers. I’m certainly not like that tax collector!
    I rest my case...


    (it defies imagination that I can say "I'm not perfect at this either - but I try" over and over, only to have it consistently ignored)
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
      Please, he's clearly a pinko commie leftist moderate
      Exactly!
      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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      • #78
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        Well, no. I wasn't "afraid" of being beaten badly - and the outcome was more or less in line with what I expected to happen. I don't invest a whole lot of emotion in politics, because I'm mostly cynical of the whole process.
        The wink indicated humor, OBP. I agree that the results of 11/6 were pretty close to in line with predictions, almost across the board. There were a few surprises in each direction here and there, but not many.
        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          "Whataboutism" is whack. Pure and simple.
          Whack?

          Like... ???
          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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          • #80
            Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
            Whack?

            Like... ???
            Mom would be so proud.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
              I don't know whether to respond with or
              or both!
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                I rest my case...


                (it defies imagination that I can say "I'm not perfect at this either - but I try" over and over, only to have it consistently ignored)
                I am sure the Pharisee prefaced his prayer with "Lord you know I am not perfect but.."

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View Post
                  That is something we will probably know fairly soon. I'm as interested as the next guy as to the outcome. And if Mueller has any sense at all, he would known the firing of Sessions was coming and has 95% of the report already written and ready to go.
                  House and Senate didn't find anything to implicate Trump despite their best efforts. I doubt Mueller has anything partly because it would have leaked by now, but mostly because none of Mueller's indictments have anything to do with Trump. He's been making noise about questioning Trump likely because his best chance is the using the same underhanded perjury trap he sprung on Flynn and Papadopoulos.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                    I rest my case...


                    (it defies imagination that I can say "I'm not perfect at this either - but I try" over and over, only to have it consistently ignored)
                    "But" is often used in a way that negates everything that precedes it.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      "But" is often used in a way that negates everything that precedes it.
                      Is it used that way here?
                      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                      Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                      I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        I rest my case...


                        (it defies imagination that I can say "I'm not perfect at this either - but I try" over and over, only to have it consistently ignored)
                        I think the root of the matter is that, while you claim imperfection on occasion, in many instances you are seen as implying that you're better than us - and that impression speaks louder than your protests otherwise.
                        Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                        Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
                        sigpic
                        I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          I am sure the Pharisee prefaced his prayer with "Lord you know I am not perfect but.."
                          Right. So - by your norm - anyone challenging the group at large to raise it's sights, while simultaneously acknowledging their own shortcomings, is equivalent to the Pharisee. Apparently, you see no difference between "thanks lord for not making me like those people" and "I know I struggle with this too - but perhaps we could all behave a little better?"

                          So tell me, Sparko - under what circumstances can someone challenge a group to improve its collective behavior? What criteria have to be met in order to do this - or is it always verboten? I'm truly curious to know what circumstances would be acceptable to you - if any.
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            "But" is often used in a way that negates everything that precedes it.
                            So same question I asked Sparko - what requirements does an individual have to meet before they are, in your eyes, permitted to challenge the group to improve its collective behavior?
                            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              Right. So - by your norm - anyone challenging the group at large to raise it's sights, while simultaneously acknowledging their own shortcomings, is equivalent to the Pharisee.

                              So tell me, Sparko - under what circumstances can someone challenge a group to improve its collective behavior? What criteria have to be met in order to do this - or is it always verboten? I'm truly curious to know what circumstances would be acceptable to you - if any.
                              Carp, your post came off as you claiming to be better than everyone else with a splash of false humility (I am not perfect but I try) thrown in to sell it. The smugness was palpable.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                I think the root of the matter is that, while you claim imperfection on occasion, in many instances you are seen as implying that you're better than us - and that impression speaks louder than your protests otherwise.
                                Sorry OBP - you (and others with this view) are reading into my posts something that is not there. At no point have I made this claim, or even had that thought. Based on previous exchanges, I'm reasonably sure I'm not going to be believed - but there is not much I can do about that - so I leave you to it.
                                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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