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    Twelve dead as trenchcoat-wearing gunman storms 'student night' at country bar: Suspect kills himself after hurling smoke grenades onto dance floor and killing cop in California

    Shooter opened fire inside Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, Southern California, at 11.20pm tonight
    Man dressed in all-black let off at least 30 shots from a pistol with extended mags and threw smoke grenades
    Twelve people were killed including a Ventura deputy sheriff before the shooter turned the gun on himself
    Gunman was dressed in all-black, wearing a trenchcoat, glasses, baseball cap and a mask covering his face


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ornia-bar.html

    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        Twelve dead as trenchcoat-wearing gunman storms 'student night' at country bar: Suspect kills himself after hurling smoke grenades onto dance floor and killing cop in California

        Shooter opened fire inside Borderline Bar and Grill in Thousand Oaks, Southern California, at 11.20pm tonight
        Man dressed in all-black let off at least 30 shots from a pistol with extended mags and threw smoke grenades
        Twelve people were killed including a Ventura deputy sheriff before the shooter turned the gun on himself
        Gunman was dressed in all-black, wearing a trenchcoat, glasses, baseball cap and a mask covering his face


        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ornia-bar.html

        How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying not to let nutcases have guns? How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying to make sure that weapons of significant power to inflict mass destruction can't be picked up by Joe crazy at a gun show? We clearly have too many crazies among us to be worthy of unrestricted access to modern guns. We have a right to bear arms. I'm not sure that translates into a requirement to allow crazies unrestricted access the the tools needed to massacre crowds of innocent people.


        Jim
        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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        • #5
          Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
          How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying not to let nutcases have guns?
          Its complex. I support gun control, but the US in a particular situation. Any attempt at gun control is going to be a long, slow, affair. You'd need to gradually make owning certain types of firearms illegal, and punishable (if they were kept in a configuration that allowed them to be fired - a solution would be to weld in a metal cylinder into the shaft).

          At each step of the way you'd have people disagreeing about this. I mean as we saw in another thread here gun rights are more important to many Christians here, than the lives of the unborn children, or on the same level.

          Which frankly still shocks me.

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          • #6
            This is the world we wanted. This is the world we got.
            "Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
            Hear my cry, hear my shout,
            Save me, save me"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
              How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying not to let nutcases have guns? How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying to make sure that weapons of significant power to inflict mass destruction can't be picked up by Joe crazy at a gun show? We clearly have too many crazies among us to be worthy of unrestricted access to modern guns. We have a right to bear arms. I'm not sure that translates into a requirement to allow crazies unrestricted access the the tools needed to massacre crowds of innocent people.


              Jim
              It is illegal to own extended mags in California. California has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, yet this still happened. It’s almost as if gun laws are only followed by law abiding citizens and totally ignored by those who could care less.
              "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
              GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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              • #8
                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying not to let nutcases have guns? How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying to make sure that weapons of significant power to inflict mass destruction can't be picked up by Joe crazy at a gun show? We clearly have too many crazies among us to be worthy of unrestricted access to modern guns. We have a right to bear arms. I'm not sure that translates into a requirement to allow crazies unrestricted access the the tools needed to massacre crowds of innocent people.


                Jim


                How about we wait a day or so before we politicize a horrible event. I will wait a day or so, when we have more information on the gunman and what laws he may have broken already to get the guns, before I discuss with you some of your more foolish statements.

                For now my prayers and thoughts go out to the victims and their families with a hope they can deal with this tragedy.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                  Its complex. I support gun control, but the US in a particular situation. Any attempt at gun control is going to be a long, slow, affair. You'd need to gradually make owning certain types of firearms illegal, and punishable (if they were kept in a configuration that allowed them to be fired - a solution would be to weld in a metal cylinder into the shaft).

                  At each step of the way you'd have people disagreeing about this. I mean as we saw in another thread here gun rights are more important to many Christians here, than the lives of the unborn children, or on the same level.

                  Which frankly still shocks me.
                  I'll get back to you after we have more information about this tragic incident. It may be after Monday as I'll be away from my computer visiting my Mom and Brother over the weekend.

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                  • #10
                    Unfortunately, when a thread like this is started in civics, it seems to invite gun control debate. Perhaps threads like this should start out in 'memorial gardens' or 'prayer requests' or some place that gives some modicum of reverence to those who were killed or injured?
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                      How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying not to let nutcases have guns? How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying to make sure that weapons of significant power to inflict mass destruction can't be picked up by Joe crazy at a gun show? We clearly have too many crazies among us to be worthy of unrestricted access to modern guns. We have a right to bear arms. I'm not sure that translates into a requirement to allow crazies unrestricted access the the tools needed to massacre crowds of innocent people.


                      Jim
                      Jim, this is California, a state with some of the strictest gun control laws out there. How did he get a gun? What should they have done?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                        How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying not to let nutcases have guns? How about putting feet on our prayers and at least trying to make sure that weapons of significant power to inflict mass destruction can't be picked up by Joe crazy at a gun show? We clearly have too many crazies among us to be worthy of unrestricted access to modern guns. We have a right to bear arms. I'm not sure that translates into a requirement to allow crazies unrestricted access the the tools needed to massacre crowds of innocent people.


                        Jim

                        How about putting feet on your prayers, Jim, and praying for your President and his administration as scripture instructs us to pray for and submit to our governments, even when we don't like them?

                        Look in the mirror, Jim, when you so self-righteously point your finger at other believers.

                        Now, lets pray for those involved in this dreadful shooting situation and leave politics out of it.


                        Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by guacamole View Post
                          This is the world we wanted. This is the world we got.
                          Who wanted this world? Firearms were much easier to get when I was a kid and we did not have these problems (generally).
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #14
                            I'm seeing reports that there were off-duty cops who helped get the patrons out.
                            Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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                            • #15
                              Damn, he was an ex-marine...

                              https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ornia-bar.html

                              http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...107-story.html
                              Last edited by seer; 11-08-2018, 11:09 AM.
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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