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Brigham Young, get thee back under that bus!

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  • Brigham Young, get thee back under that bus!

    BY has to be the biggest embarrassment to the LDS church. While he was a Prophet, the things he said and claimed are some of the most controversial and absofreakingly arrogant and stupid things anyone has ever said in the LDS church.

    So mormons are caught in a quandry. On one hand, Brigham Young was a prophet and spoke directly with God (as the LDS believe) so if he said it, it must be true. On the other hand, what he said has been denied by other Prophets, and is a complete embarrassment to the LDS church. What to do?

    Some things said by Young:

    BY was never wrong:
    "I am here to answer. I shall be on hand to answer when I am called upon, for all the counsel and for all the instruction that I have given to this people. If there is an Elder here, or any member of this Church, called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who can bring up the first idea, the first sentence that I have delivered to the people as counsel that is wrong, I really wish they would do it; but they cannot do it, for the simple reason that I have never given counsel that is wrong; this is the reason." (Journal of Discourses, v16 p161).

    In fact when he preached, it was as good as scripture!
    "I know just as well what to teach this people and just what to say to them and what to do in order to bring them into the celestial kingdom...I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good Scripture as they deserve. The people have the oracles of God continually." (Journal of Discourses, v13 p95).

    According to BY all current mormons are headed for hell:
    "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, v3, p266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, v11, p269).

    To check any of these quotes, here is a link to the official LDS source. Scanned and text:
    http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/sea...lOfDiscourses3


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    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Don't forget Brigham Young's involvement (or not?) in the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

        Here's the Mormonized version of it, which was forced by evidence to admit it was, in fact, a massacre by the Mormons....

        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post

          In fact when he preached, it was as good as scripture!
          "I know just as well what to teach this people and just what to say to them and what to do in order to bring them into the celestial kingdom...I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture. Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good Scripture as they deserve. The people have the oracles of God continually." (Journal of Discourses, v13 p95).
          He continues to reinforce this claim
          "I say now, when they [his discourses] are copied and approved by me they are as good Scripture as is couched in this Bible" (Journal of Discourses, v13 p26)

          And let's not forget the claims he made about Joseph Smith such as how you needed to believe in him and gain his permission in order to get into heaven:
          "and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist" (Journal of Discourses, v9, p312)

          "no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith" (Journal of Discourses, v7, p289)

          And then there are his views about blacks and slavery:

          Young declared to the Utah Territorial Legislature on January 16, 1852 Young that "any man having one drop of the seed of [Cain] ... in him cannot hold the priesthood and if no other Prophet ever spake it before I will say it now in the name of Jesus Christ I know it is true and others know it." Notice how he claims that he says this as a "prophet"

          While many other religious leaders said similar things none of them were claiming to be prophets who's teachings were on par with the Bible. In light of this trying to dismiss his racism as merely a view shared by many other people in his time just doesn't cut it.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #6
            Gotta love Brigham! He could NEVER own an NBA Team!



            OK, so my dear sweet brother beat me to this.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Meanies.
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                • #9
                  All Brigham Young did was to take his cue from Smith, and just make up anything he wanted to say by virtue of him being a "Prophet" of God. (I started to say "The Most High God", but we don't really know that Young's God was, in FACT, the "Most High". He might have been the runt of the Gods.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Don't forget Adam/God...
                      That's what
                      - She

                      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        OK, so my dear sweet brother beat me to this.
                        It's okay Mom always said that you were kinda "slow."

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          Meanies.


                          Just don't do it with Sparko unless you want a punctured palm

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                            Don't forget Adam/God...
                            You mean this:
                            "Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken -- He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later." (Journal of Discourses, vol1, p50)

                            FWIU, today nearly all Mormons reject this teaching of Young's

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              FWIU, today nearly all Mormons reject this teaching of Young's
                              Today, MANY Mormons reject a LOT of Mormon teachings --- they just don't say so publicly.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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