California Burns: Trump Blames...

[oxmixmudd]

You are still off the rails pix. Trump is threatening to remove emergency aid that the people of California will need. Your anger against what you see as failings in the California government justifies making those people suffer? There are other ways to change the California government than making people who have lost everything lose even more.

I am curious pix. Does it make feel better to call me names? If so, feel free. And I'm sorry if you are facing any immediate threat from these fires. Stay safe.

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

You are still off the rails pix. Trump is threatening to remove emergency aid that the people of California will need. Your anger against what you see as failings in the California government justifies making those people suffer? There are other ways to change the California government than making people who have lost everything lose even more.

I am curious pix. Does it make feel better to call me names? If so, feel free. And I'm sorry if you are facing any immediate threat from these fires. Stay safe.

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

True. The difference is one of scale re hurricanes hitting the Gulf Coast andhttps://www.aol.com/article/news/201...ires/23586553/

What they fail to mention is that those areas were at one time empty and nobody cared if acres of empty land burned.

[lilpixieofterror]

Wildfires in that region are about as common as a hurricane hitting the Gulf Coast.

[oxmixmudd]

I am sorry you are so angry pix. But the reality is trump threatened the people of California in their time of need. This is not a normal 'brush fire'. For him to do that is a low blow, an unconscionable thing to do. I didn't make him do that, but it is the sort of thing he has done on the past and likely the sort of vengeful thing he will do in the future. And the fact is its a bad thing to do. And to not say it's a bad thing to do would itself be wrong. So feel free to rage against me all you want, but the standards of right and wrong that guide my words are themselves absolute and independent of me or you.

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

I am sorry you are so angry pix. But the reality is trump threatened the people of California in their time of need. This is not a normal 'brush fire'. For him to do that is a low blow, an unconscionable thing to do. I didn't make him do that, but it is the sort of thing he has done on the past and likely the sort of vengeful thing he will do in the future. And the fact is its a bad thing to do. And to not say it's a bad thing to do would itself be wrong. So feel free to rage against me all you want, but the standards of right and wrong that guide my words are themselves absolute and independent of me or you.

Jim

I’m just doing what you do Jim and throw around false accusations against those that disagree with my politics. Apparently, only you’re allowed to do that and I can’t. Has Trump pulled any aid? No, does Trump have a history of saying things that he doesn’t do to get reactions out of people, yes. Isn’t this also the same state that said they didn’t need the federal government and now want them? Also, how long have you lived in California or are you going based on what the news says? The state population grows and expands into fire prone areas of the state all the time.

[nico]

Now I take it for granted that he shot from the hip, and put his foot in his mouth. But from what I have read over time poor forest management is a big factor in the wildfires. Any thoughts...

This is the problem with Trump and how he divides conservatives from the their own principles. He could have said, "I stand by my promise. MAGA & America First. Help is on the way California." Then after some weeks go by and the damage settles he could say, "Glad California is on the recovery. Shame on the California gov't for slacking on forest cleanup and exacerbating wildfires. Fix it now, or your federal funding is in jeopardy. Help your own people."

Something like that. Most everyone, right or left, would agree. But instead we get some conservatives like "ya, burn california, it's your own fault b/c of big government!" Wth is that? Conservatives, please don't do this. Call out the prez, this is unacceptable.

[oxmixmudd]

I’m just doing what you do Jim and throw around false accusations against those that disagree with my politics. Apparently, only you’re allowed to do that and I can’t. Has Trump pulled any aid? No, does Trump have a history of saying things that he doesn’t do to get reactions out of people, yes. Isn’t this also the same state that said they didn’t need the federal government and now want them? Also, how long have you lived in California or are you going based on what the news says? The state population grows and expands into fire prone areas of the state all the time.

It doesn't matter how much you complain about issues ancillary to the current tragedy. Right now a massive fire is raging and right now there are over 200 people unaccounted for and thousands who have lost their homes. So right now is a very inappropriate time to play politics or threaten to cut funding.

Jim

[Jedidiah]

Whether it is or isn't (and I'll assume for the sake of argument it is), refusing to help affected citizens in the future is simply punishing them for the sins of others. It's as bad as the lady who wrote into an ethics columnist complaining about a friend who refused to donate money to hurricane relief in Texas because the state voted for Trump.

More evidence that Trump is no better than any other politician.

[lilpixieofterror]

It doesn't matter how much you complain about issues ancillary to the current tragedy. Right now a massive fire is raging and right now there are over 200 people unaccounted for and thousands who have lost their homes. So right now is a very inappropriate time to play politics or threaten to cut funding.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Pix, you're irrationality makes this endless. Go ahead and put on your flame thrower one last time and we can be done. You get the last word.

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

Pix, you're irrationality makes this endless. Go ahead and put on your flame thrower one last time and we can be done. You get the last word.

Jim

[rogue06]

The left gets justly chastised when they gleefully jump in after a shooting, and while the bodies are still warm, seeking to exploit it to push for increased gun control measures, so it is only decent to refrain from pointing fingers here while the fires are still raging.

[rogue06]

Whether it is or isn't (and I'll assume for the sake of argument it is), refusing to help affected citizens in the future is simply punishing them for the sins of others. It's as bad as the lady who wrote into an ethics columnist complaining about a friend who refused to donate money to hurricane relief in Texas because the state voted for Trump.

Trying to discourage people from rebuilding in areas prone to wildfires is a good thing (just like trying to discourage rebuilding in flood plains), but it can surely better be accomplished through other means than threats.

[oxmixmudd]

Trying to discourage people from rebuilding in areas prone to wildfires is a good thing (just like trying to discourage rebuilding in flood plains), but it can surely better be accomplished through other means than threats.

Current tally is 1300 missing with 76 known dead. Drought, historically high temperatures are significant contributors to the size and extent of the fire. Trump still seems intent on making sure his blaming of California for the blazes remains in the headlines, although he did declare it a disaster area making relief funds available for those affected.

Jim