What is Socialism?

[rogue06]

Which, aside from being ripped out of context, has absolutely ZERO to do with civil government.

Please try again.

Is it just me but does anyone else notice how they always paraphrase what is said rather than quote?

[Cow Poke]

Is it just me but does anyone else notice how they always paraphrase what is said rather than quote?

That, and removing it from any context that would show how misguided they are.

[rogue06]

That, and removing it from any context that would show how misguided they are.

Yeah, for some inexplicable reason they always somehow fail to cite where what they are paraphrasing was said. You'd almost think that they didn't want anyone checking for themselves to see if they are mischaracterizing or misrepresenting what was said.

[Starlight]

OK, you're up to bat! Show where there's any instruction for us to sell our homes and give it all to the Apostles, or that this in any way could be construed as a "biblical teaching".

"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." - Mat 19:21
"Sell your possessions and give to the poor." - Luke 12:33

For extra points, show where that has anything whatsoever to do with civil government.

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's" - Mat 22:21
"Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities" - Rom 13:1

For a pastor, you don't seem to know your bible very well.

Context, starlight.

The context was pretty much what was happening in this thread: Guy comes to Jesus and says "I think I'm doing pretty great by following all the rules, what more do you think I need?" just as CP had said to me. The reply of both Jesus and me was to give all the money away. And CP and the guy in the bible both rejected that answer because they loved their money and didn't want to give it away. Pretty analogous if you ask me.

[Starlight]

Yeah, for some inexplicable reason they always somehow fail to cite where what they are paraphrasing was said. You'd almost think that they didn't want anyone checking for themselves to see if they are mischaracterizing or misrepresenting what was said.

Do you not know your bible well enough to recognize a quote and look it up? I suggest you read the bible a bit more often and in different translations so you develop a working biblical knowledge so you can recognize quotations or paraphrases.

But, for the moment if you're ignorant, that's okay, there's google to help you with that. Type the quote or segments of the paraphrase into google and it will very likely come up with the verse and a link to it.

[Cow Poke]

"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." - Mat 19:21
"Sell your possessions and give to the poor." - Luke 12:33

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's" - Mat 22:21
"Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities" - Rom 13:1

To whom was he speaking, and about what? That's "context".

For a pastor, you don't seem to know your bible very well.

I knew EXACTLY the scripture you were wildly and ignorantly misrepresenting.

The context was pretty much what was happening in this thread: Guy comes to Jesus and says "I think I'm doing pretty great by following all the rules, what more do you think I need?"

Another paraphrase.

just as CP had said to me. The reply of both Jesus and me was to give all the money away. And CP and the guy in the bible both rejected that answer because they loved their money and didn't want to give it away.

I can't speak for the guy in the bible, but with regards to me, that's an outright lie.

Jesus was dealing with an INDIVIDUAL about his own PERSONAL responsibility. He was not establishing a foundation for civil government.

Pretty analogous if you ask me.

You've apparently been to the JimmyL school of Foolology.

But, please, try again.

[Cow Poke]

Do you not know your bible well enough to recognize a quote and look it up? I suggest you read the bible a bit more often and in different translations so you develop a working biblical knowledge so you can recognize quotations or paraphrases.

But, for the moment if you're ignorant, that's okay, there's google to help you with that. Type the quote or segments of the paraphrase into google and it will very likely come up with the verse and a link to it.

I know, slow day, so you have to harder.

[Starlight]

I know, slow day, so you have to harder.

Alright. I think Evilgelicals are wrong about nearly all aspects of biblical teaching, from abortion to salvation to faith and works to marriage to sin to Jesus' ministry and the gospel to the attributes of God. They pretty much misinterpret and misunderstand the bible across the board in every aspect of their theology. I think they are nigh on 100% wrong about what the bible says with regard to almost every issue that matters.

[Cow Poke]

Alright. I think Evilgelicals are wrong about nearly all aspects of biblical teaching, from abortion to salvation to faith and works to marriage to sin to Jesus' ministry and the gospel to the attributes of God.

Of course you do!

They pretty much misinterpret and misunderstand the bible across the board in every aspect of their theology.

Did I miss the sale on really really broad brushes?

I think they are nigh on 100% wrong about what the bible says with regard to almost every issue that matters.

Should I be surprised?

Star, that's no excuse for taking scripture out of context and trying to make it say something it does not say. There is no biblical support for a civil government forcing the redistribution of wealth. ZERO.

And your disingenuous implication that I'm ignorant of Scripture simply because I challenged your misuse of it is beneath you. I've been in this business for nearly 5 decades -- I've heard repeatedly these allegations of "support" from the Bible for socialism. I knew exactly the scriptures both you and Jimmy were perverting in order to try to make it sound like we were being disobedient to Christ. There's no "there" there.

[Starlight]

I've been in this business for nearly 5 decades -- I've heard repeatedly these allegations of "support" from the Bible for socialism.

It's sad you're still this ignorant about biblical teachings after all this time. But I guess I'm not that surprised.

[Cow Poke]

It's sad you're still this ignorant about biblical teachings after all this time. But I guess I'm not that surprised.

OK, I think I know what's going on here. You see your buddy JimL getting trounced, and you feel sorry for him cause he's one of the very few people who will amen your .... um.... "posts".... so you come back with this lame goofy attack stuff.

So, calm yourself down a bit, and enlighten me on what "biblical teaching" there is for government based socialism.

Because there isn't any. And simply accusing me of being "ignorant" does ZERO to back up your false claim!

Try again.

[rogue06]

Do you not know your bible well enough to recognize a quote and look it up? I suggest you read the bible a bit more often and in different translations so you develop a working biblical knowledge so you can recognize quotations or paraphrases.

But, for the moment if you're ignorant, that's okay, there's google to help you with that. Type the quote or segments of the paraphrase into google and it will very likely come up with the verse and a link to it.

You still don't get it do you? I just wanted you to provide cites so that anyone could see how you're ripping things out of context and misrepresenting them to prop up your claims. As I already noted in post #100 we are told to take individual responsibility not try to force others to do what we should be doing ourselves.

[Cow Poke]

I apologize - I overlooked these references...

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's" - Mat 22:21

Yes, 'pay your taxes'. I do. Faithfully. Every year.

"Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities" - Rom 13:1

Cool - explain how that has anything whatsoever to do with the Bible 'teaching' government based socialism.

And Rogue already schooled you on the "if a man doesn't work he shouldn't eat" teaching from the Bible. That wasn't addressed to an individual - it was addressed to the Church. In fact, it wasn't just a teaching, but a "commandment".

2 Thes 3:10 ESV - For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

[rogue06]

Alright. I think Evilgelicals are wrong about nearly all aspects of biblical teaching, from abortion to salvation to faith and works to marriage to sin to Jesus' ministry and the gospel to the attributes of God. They pretty much misinterpret and misunderstand the bible across the board in every aspect of their theology. I think they are nigh on 100% wrong about what the bible says with regard to almost every issue that matters.

Yeah, everyone already has you pegged as someone who wants to twist what Scripture says into justifying what you want to do. Pregnancy or a new-born baby is inconvenient? Just claim that the Bible says it is okay to butcher them so they're out of your way. Want to screw around with whoever or whatever you want whenever you want? Just declare that's what the Bible really supports.

[Cow Poke]

You still don't get it do you? I just wanted you to provide cites so that anyone could see how you're ripping things out of context and misrepresenting them to prop up your claims. As I already noted in post #100 we are told to take individual responsibility not try to force others to do what we should be doing ourselves.

Like you said, brudder....

I always find it ironic how those who refuse to listen to Him and scream about separation of Church and State whenever someone quotes Scripture when talking about social policy suddenly turn around and seek to try to use Him to support something they want.

And, incapable of supporting his claim, Starlight reduces himself to childish accusations and JimLevel jackassery.