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  • #16
    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    That is ignorance. They engaged in a massive dis-information campaign. To believe not one person was pushed or encouraged in Trumps direction in some way that created 1 more vote for Trump than would have existed without it is TRULY ignorant.


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    You have proof that it did? Can you name someone? Or are you just guessing too?
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    • #17
      After all this, I'm still unclear on exactly what Russia actually did.
      I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View Post
        That is ignorance. They engaged in a massive dis-information campaign. To believe not one person was pushed or encouraged in Trumps direction in some way that created 1 more vote for Trump than would have existed without it is TRULY ignorant.
        "The liberal media engaged in a massive dis-information campaign. To believe not one person was pushed or encouraged in Hillary's direction in some way that created 1 more vote for Hillary than would have existed without it is TRULY ignorant."

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        Than a fool in the eyes of God


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        • #19
          Originally posted by Charles View Post
          And you believe no ones mind is changed or only changed on all other areas then election?
          Engrish preash?

          If not the why is Clapper wrong in assuming influence campaigns actually do influence?
          Because studies have shown that nearly all influence is either ineffective or just pushes someone further in the direction they were already leaning. People normally don't change their minds
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
            After all this, I'm still unclear on exactly what Russia actually did.
            They posted memes saying stuff that conservatives for the most part already thought. At least that's the story facebook put out.

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            • #21
              So let's say Russia posted a bunch of memes and ads on Facebook favoring Trump and demonizing Hillary.

              That was pretty much the consensus of conservatives anyway and what the American conservatives were already saying.

              So how is what Russia did illegal?

              Obama openly endorsed Macron in the French election and openly urged French citizens to vote for Macron. Isn't that even worse? Why doesn't anyone have a problem with that?


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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                They posted memes saying stuff that conservatives for the most part already thought. At least that's the story facebook put out.
                ...most of which occurred either in areas where the outcome was not closely in Trump's favor and/or after the election itself. YUGE!
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  They posted memes saying stuff that conservatives for the most part already thought. At least that's the story facebook put out.
                  MEMES????
                  That's what
                  - She

                  Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                  - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                  I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                  - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    So let's say Russia posted a bunch of memes and ads on Facebook favoring Trump and demonizing Hillary.

                    That was pretty much the consensus of conservatives anyway and what the American conservatives were already saying.

                    So how is what Russia did illegal?

                    Obama openly endorsed Macron in the French election and openly urged French citizens to vote for Macron. Isn't that even worse? Why doesn't anyone have a problem with that?

                    Or what about Obama as president using taxpayer money to openly campaign against Benjamin Netanyahu.

                    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ust-netanyahu/
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      Or what about Obama as president using taxpayer money to openly campaign against Benjamin Netanyahu.

                      https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ust-netanyahu/
                      Or what about whataboutism? Your reluctance to adress the actual issue and topic is duly noted.
                      "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                        Your reluctance to adress the actual issue and topic is duly noted.
                        I did address the topic, here, here, and here.

                        Post #24 was a just a bonus to expose liberal hypocrisy.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                          Engrish preash?



                          Because studies have shown that nearly all influence is either ineffective or just pushes someone further in the direction they were already leaning. People normally don't change their minds
                          I like how you completely missed the part about people holding on to parts of inormation they have been told is pure fiction. That is part of the reason this stuff works. Interesting.
                          "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            I did address the topic, here, here, and here.

                            Post #24 was a just a bonus to expose liberal hypocrisy.
                            Nope that is just more whataboutism and statements used to avoid the topic.
                            "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Charles View Post
                              Or what about whataboutism? Your reluctance to adress the actual issue and topic is duly noted.
                              It has a direct impact on the topic. Why was it wrong for Russia to try to influence our election but not wrong for Obama to influence other elections?

                              As has been pointed out to me by you guys several times, Whataboutism occurs when we try to excuse one action by saying what about another. I am not trying to excuse what the russians did, just wondering why what Obama did isn't just as wrong?

                              And what was illegal about Russia buying ads and making memes to influence the election?

                              Now IF Trump asked Russia to interfere on his behalf, that would be wrong and illegal. But there is no evidence of that.
                              Last edited by Sparko; 11-16-2018, 11:01 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                                Nope that is just more whataboutism and statements used to avoid the topic.
                                Sure it is.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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