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Originally posted by JimL View PostI'd say that there being no good reason to believe in fairies is "strong evidence" for there being no such thing as fairies. A lack of evidence, is evidence, as far as negative claims are concerned.
But I don't see any of the strong evidence Tassman mentioned that there is no mind surviving death. He made the claim. Now he just has to show it. His rules, remember?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post"probable?" "no good reason to think otherwise" That isn't "strong evidence" Tassy.
You mentioned "strong evidence" that the mind does not survive. You haven't provided ANY evidence. You made the positive claim that there was STRONG EVIDENCE. so lets see it. Links to such evidence would be appreciated.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostBut there is good reason to believe in life after death.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe evidence is, as JimL says, “there being no good reason to believe in fairies is strong evidence for there being no such thing as fairies”. The same applies to faith-based claims of life after death.
There is no good reason to "believe in life after death".
And you have not shown any strong evidence, which you claimed to have, that the mind/soul doesn't survive death. "no good reason to believe otherwise" is not strong evidence FOR your belief.
Just admit you don't have any strong evidence.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThere are reasons good enough that most people believe in life after death, Tassman. You just mean not good enough for you.
And you have not shown any strong evidence, which you claimed to have, that the mind/soul doesn't survive death. "no good reason to believe otherwise" is not strong evidence FOR your belief.
Just admit you don't have any strong evidence.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe reasons are based on beliefs, such as the religious belief in invisible souls that fly away when the body dies. There are no fact based reasons to believe in life after death.
You need first to show that this mind/soul is an existing thing before you can ask others to prove it survives death.
I admit, I have no strong evidence of an existing immaterial soul. Btw, neither do you.
Also we have eye witness reports of God revealing that there is life after death. Jesus proved it to us even.
So there is a lot of evidence for life after death. So that is why people believe it.
There are ZERO facts that prove there is no life after death. There is no "strong evidence" that there is no life after death, which Tassman claimed. Feel free to prove otherwise.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThere are reasons good enough that most people believe in life after death, Tassman. You just mean not good enough for you.
And you have not shown any strong evidence, which you claimed to have, that the mind/soul doesn't survive death. "no good reason to believe otherwise" is not strong evidence FOR your belief.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe “reason” that some people believe in life after death is the fear of death, which is usually fueled by religions.
I think that no good reason to believe in something is a pretty strong reason not to believe it. .
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNo. Why would I fear just ceasing to exist?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNo. Why would I fear just ceasing to exist?
Where is your strong EVIDENCE Tassman? You claimed you had it. Let's see it.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMost beliefs are indeed based on reasons which use evidence to come to a conclusion.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe fear of death is a commonplace human trait and the belief that eternal souls/minds exist is common currency among religions...not so much outside of religion...to overcome this fear.
The strong evidence is that there is no substantive reason to believe the soul/mind survives the death of the brain, whereas there is plenty of evidence that it doesn’t. This is shown by the measurable effects of brain trauma on the soul/mind via brain surgery, accidents, epilepsy or dementia etc. OTOH all you can produce by way of contrary argument (outside of your religions belief in eternal life) are mere anecdotal NDE’s. Hence, no good reason to believe in something is a pretty strong reason not to believe it. If you have strong, substantiated evidence to the contrary then provide it instead of demanding that I prove a negative.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso then why aren't you scared into believing in God?
So the strong evidence is that there is no evidence?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostI’m not into escapist fantasies…except perhaps for Star Wars.
There is a lot of evidence that the soul/mind is totally dependent on the brain. If the brain is damaged so is the mind, if the brain ceases to exist all indications are that the mind does too. There is no substantive evidence this is not so.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postthat is a non-sequitur. If all people are afraid of death and that causes them to believe in God, then why don't you? Could it be that your simplistic assertion is incorrect?
Again, you claimed STRONG EVIDENCE that the mind doesn't survive death. Please provide it.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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