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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWrong Jim, since in both cases God is the author of both minds and rationality.Last edited by JimL; 11-19-2018, 09:42 AM.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWhy should the brain be the only complex physical object in the universe to have an interface with another realm of being? The mind and consciousness can be reduced to the neurological function of the brain and nervous system.
Your mind uses the brain to tell your body what to do. You think you want to move your arm and your brain tells your arm to move and your arm moves. Unless you don't believe in conscious thought and free will. Then your arm just moves for no reason at all and you are just a mechanical doll.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSeer, your argument has for a long time now been that it is illogical to believe that rational minds can emerge from irrational matter, but you then argue that you believe in emergent immaterial "rational" minds, immaterial 'rational" minds that emerge from irrational matter.
If your argument now is going to be that "well, true, it is illogical, but god can do it, god can make immaterial "rational" minds emerge from irrational matter, well, then, god could also cause material "rational" minds emerge from irrational matter.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim don't be dense, I don't believe that the physical brain is non-rational, since it was created by a rational God. Therefore your whole argument fails since the emergent mind is not being produced by a non-rational source.
What are you taking about? Nothing I said was illogical...
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAh, so now you believe that the physical brain is itself a rational thinking thing in its own right? Very good, you're coming around seer.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, it is not in its own right. Any more than a computer is rational in its own right, it had to be designed to be rational. I don't believe that the non-rational forces of nature could create a rational functioning calculator, never mind something much more complicated like the human brain.
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, it is not in its own right. Any more than a computer is rational in its own right, it had to be designed to be rational. I don't believe that the non-rational forces of nature could create a rational functioning calculator, never mind something much more complicated like the human brain.
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, it is not in its own right. Any more than a computer is rational in its own right, it had to be designed to be rational. I don't believe that the non-rational forces of nature could create a rational functioning calculator, never mind something much more complicated like the human brain.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, I know, you don't believe what you can see with your own eyes like the evolution of the human nervous system out of the non-rational forces of nature, but somehow you believe in things that you can't see and for which there is no evidence. We are living proof that rational minds can be created by the non rational forces of nature, because we are a part of that nature. What nature does is create the senses of experience and the rational mind is a natural spinoff of that.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostHey Jim, I never saw the human the evolution of the human nervous system and neither did you. Or anyone.
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Originally posted by seer View PostHey Jim, I never saw the human the evolution of the human nervous system and neither did you. Or anyone.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPerhaps not directly, but if you bothered to look you would directly observe the evidence of the evolution of lifes nervous system and the human brain from out of the non-rational forces of nature. All you are doing is saying that yes, nature does that, it creates rational minds from out of its irrational substance, but it only does it because it is somehow programed by an actual mind to do so. That is simply an argument from incredulity. You just simply can't believe your eyes.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI have no idea what that means. You can not and did not directly observe how the forces of nature created the nervous system. What you do see is how these systems are acted on by natural forces in various ways, not how these systems were created in the first place... So you have no idea if non-rational, non-conscious forces could or did create rational, conscious beings... But you have faith that they did...
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