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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I have solar panels on my new house and out-building, and I planted 7 trees this spring.
    Great!

    Maybe you want to convince other people to do likewise and stop putting effort into claiming scientists are wrong about their findings about climate change which is well outside your wheel-house.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Nobody's asking for that, so that's irrelevant.
      See: Climate Accords, Paris.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Great!

        Maybe you want to convince other people to do likewise and stop putting effort into claiming scientists are wrong about their findings about climate change which is well outside your wheel-house.
        I missed the part where you apologized for swallowing JimL's gutless dishonest gossip about me, and jumped to the conclusion that I'm a denier.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          See: Climate Accords, Paris.
          No, that's not remotely what the Paris Agreement requires. Try getting some basic education on the issue.
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          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            ...and stop putting effort into claiming scientists are wrong about their findings about climate change which is well outside your wheel-house.
            Star, can I make a suggestion? How bout dialing the arrogant animosity down a tad, and actually dealing with facts and the truth instead of Tassman-like Drama, OK?

            All I'm doing is posting a topic for discussion. If you want to discuss it in a gentlemanly fashion, I'm good with that.

            Can ya do that?
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Why didn't the "peer review" concept work?
              It did. Another scientist spotted a problem, brought it to their attention, and it was rapidly corrected within 2 weeks as a result. Peer review working well.

              If you mean, why didn't the journal's own reviewers spot it prior to publication, then the answer is that a few reviewers can't spot everything, and publication is what gives the wider scientific community a chance to review an article. Most of the reviewing of articles happens post-publication and that's when the wider scientific community really gets to see the work and review it. Fast forward 10 years and you can see how an article was viewed by how it was cited by other articles and what comments were made about it and whether it has stood the test of time and peer-review or whether it has been ignored or completely disproven.

              It's GOOD to have skeptics around to check your work.
              Yes, that is what the whole scientific community is about. Research tends to be quite competitive.
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              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                It did. Another scientist spotted a problem,...
                OK, see if you can maintain some level of civility, and answer the following....

                Is it not true that the article was already published, peer reviewed?

                Didn't Lewis challenge the published peer reviewed article?

                Let's start with those two questions.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  This is what Lewis is claiming ... (leaving the reference marks in place - you can use their hyperlinks by going to the original)

                  A major problem with the Resplandy et al. ocean heat uptake paper
                  Posted on November 6, 2018 by niclewis

                  by Nic Lewis

                  Obviously doubtful claims about new research regarding ocean content reveal how unquestioning Nature, climate scientists and the MSM are.

                  On November 1st there was extensive coverage in the mainstream media[i] and online[ii] of a paper just published in the prestigious journal Nature. The article,[iii] by Laure Resplandy of Princeton University, Ralph Keeling of the Scripps Institute of Oceanography and eight other authors, used a novel method to estimate heat uptake by the ocean over the period 1991–2016 and came up with an atypically high value.[iv] The press release [v] accompanying the Resplandy et al. paper was entitled “Earth’s oceans have absorbed 60 percent more heat per year than previously thought”,[vi] and said that this suggested that Earth is more sensitive to fossil-fuel emissions than previously thought.

                  I was asked for my thoughts on the Resplandy paper as soon as it obtained media coverage. Most commentators appear to have been content to rely on what was said in the press release. However, being a scientist, I thought it appropriate to read the paper itself, and if possible look at its data, before forming a view.

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                  From this, it appears to me that the article was already peer-reviewed and published, THEN Lewis challenged it...
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    No, that's not remotely what the Paris Agreement requires. Try getting some basic education on the issue.
                    I exaggerate only slightly; China essentially promised to start thinking about doing something 15 years after the pact. The other G20 countries also seem to be having issues actually meeting their targets - which appears to be fine because there's no enforcement mechanism.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      OK, see if you can maintain some level of civility, and answer the following....
                      Hey, you've aready gotten him to call a skeptic a scientist. That's progress!
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Is it not true that the article was already published, peer reviewed?
                        The term "peer review" can refer either to the process an article goes through to get published where a few other scientists check it over briefly for obvious errors, or to the more general process an article goes through after publication where scientists around the world read and comment on it. The point of publication is to make it available to the wider scientific community for comment. The publication process does not establish an article as any kind of scientific truth, but rather makes it available to other scientists to read and thus to think about and comment on (usually published articles sit behind pay-walls and the general public can't access them, only people belonging to institutions such as universities whose library subscribes to the journal). To publish a scientific paper is thus not to declare it as fact to the public at large, it is to disseminate it among the scientific community for review.

                        To directly answer your question: This article was published in a peer-reviewed journal which means a few other scientists (usually 3) had looked over it prior to its publication to the wider scientific community.

                        Didn't Lewis challenge the published peer reviewed article?
                        Yes. As a scientist in the wider community he pointed out an error in the article. This is how the process is generally supposed to work.
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                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          Hey, you've aready gotten him to call a skeptic a scientist. That's progress!
                          I'm wondering if he actually realizes that's what happened. I think he just charged into this full-hilt without actually reading.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            I exaggerate only slightly; China essentially promised to start thinking about doing something 15 years after the pact. The other G20 countries also seem to be having issues actually meeting their targets - which appears to be fine because there's no enforcement mechanism.
                            Statements like this show me you don't understand the Paris Agreement.

                            The main thrust of the Paris Agreement is transparency, and international meetings every 5 years going forward to look at how we're doing toward the general goal. The first of those meetings will be in 2020. Under the Paris Agreement it is up to each country to determine, plan, and regularly report on the contribution that it undertakes to mitigate global warming. Getting this data from around the world is the first key step to assessing how we're doing in addressing the problem. No mechanism as yet forces a country to set a specific target by a specific date, but the idea is that at the 5-year meetings if a particular country is obviously not pulling its weight the international community can decide on whatever course of action is appropriate to encourage it to do so. This could be anything from a "name and shame" response to economic sanctions if that is deemed necessary by the general international community.

                            The Paris Agreement has a 'bottom up' structure in contrast to most international environmental law treaties, which are 'top down', because it lets countries set their own goals and try their own plans rather than mandating any set policy and imposing it on countries. In that sense, the Paris Agreement is all about freedom and letting countries exercise their own sovereignty to address the crisis in their own ways and according to their own culture and customs. All they have to do, at least initially, is to measure their carbon emissions and publish that data, and tell the international community what their reduction targets are and share their plan for how they're going to achieve those targets. It is pretty depressing that the Trump administration and US conservatives are against even this minimalist approach.
                            Last edited by Starlight; 11-17-2018, 05:19 PM.
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                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              I'm wondering if he actually realizes that's what happened. I think he just charged into this full-hilt without actually reading.
                              It shows that in the extremely rare case where a climate-change-denier actually does spot a real error, it gets corrected within the week.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                I exaggerate only slightly; China essentially promised to start thinking about doing something 15 years after the pact. The other G20 countries also seem to be having issues actually meeting their targets - which appears to be fine because there's no enforcement mechanism.
                                And, at least according to Greenpeace, China's 2018 carbon emissions are increasing and expected to grow at the fastest rate in 6 years with carbon output rising 4% in the first quarter of this year.

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